FS9, FSX, P3d, XP … people will keep using them, because they can’t afford new hardware. But they are all in the past. Only major blunders by Asobo will keep MSFS from completely dominating the flightsim market. It's possible given the snafus that have shown up with each MSFS update. But, so far nothing I've seen from either LM or LR could entice me to shell out money for another sim and its add-ons.

3 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said:

FS9, FSX, P3d, XP … people will keep using them, because they can’t afford new hardware. But they are all in the past. Only major blunders by Asobo will keep MSFS from completely dominating the flightsim market. It's possible given the snafus that have shown up with each MSFS update. But, so far nothing I've seen from either LM or LR could entice me to shell out money for another sim and its add-ons.

I was very intrigued to see what XP12 will offer.. certainly a step in the right direction for that team, not so much P3D..

4 hours ago, pilatuz said:

XPlane 12 entirely dominated P3D but understandably because P3D was stressed as being focused on the military/defense clients and that's pretty much it. We the (non entertainment) civilian users are pretty much just getting whatever we get after the main drivers of this sim have done their thing.

They did say that since the Air Force is so heavily invested in them they of course will continue, but it really seems like the trend will be for us (non entertainment) civilian users will continue to be to heavily rely on 3rd party suppliers of enhancements in order to make it what we want. Aaaand you can imagine how those 3rd party suppliers are melting away.

We will eventually all move on from P3D and they won't even care because it's not meant for us, really. I totally wish them well but the future is pretty obvious for us who have this as our hobby.

So what did the folks from P3D have to say, anything for us to look forward to? Or did they just say they are only focused on the USAF and that's it? If so, that kinda sucks. MSFS is great and all but you are still relying on MS to keep their severs up for years and years to be able to stream the terrain data.

Pretty disappointed LM didn't announce a new version or anything of the sort. 

53 minutes ago, B777ER said:

MSFS is great and all but you are still relying on MS to keep their severs up for years and years to be able to stream the terrain data.

The world doesn't disappear in MFS if the internet is pulled, it still has landclass like P3D or you can just cache the region.

On the other foot, I think XP P3D and MFS will continue to be heavily used by many users depending on what they want to do. But I do agree with some of the other posts in here, not seeing a lot of news lately but hey, sometimes no news is good news?

I am still of the view that a Bing or Google maps integration on both P3D and XP11 would solve a lot of people on the fence and also further devlopment in both sims.

Its like its crying out for it. 🙂

7 hours ago, Steve_Ellis said:

I am still of the view that a Bing or Google maps integration on both P3D and XP11 would solve a lot of people on the fence and also further devlopment in both sims.

Its like its crying out for it. 🙂

I don’t think you understand just how prohibitive it is. The only people that can do it are Microsoft because they own Bing and Azure. Let’s pretend P3D or XP decided to integrate Google. Besides the money Google will want for using their stuff there is the obvious question of how users will get all that data. It’s larger than anyone’s hard drives. It has to be streamed. Who is going to pay for that? The servers that stuff will live on? Microsoft is in a unique position. LR doesn’t have those resources. LM doesn’t want to spend their resources on that because P3D to them is a tiny side project.

Once the LM presenter stated that it was LM's policy not to discuss timeframes, roadmaps, etc, I knew that the presentation was going to be useless for us. In fact, with a few exceptions (like Thrustmaster), I am glad I didn't drive over to San Diego since many of the presentations IMHO were not in depth. Spending several hundred dollars for hotels, etc, seemed a bit much for the value of the information provided. For instance, the Jetline presentation didn't add any new information that isn't already available from other sources. 

Just my 2 cents from a 45 year long simmer.

57 minutes ago, BostonJeremy77 said:

I don’t think you understand just how prohibitive it is. The only people that can do it are Microsoft because they own Bing and Azure. Let’s pretend P3D or XP decided to integrate Google. Besides the money Google will want for using their stuff there is the obvious question of how users will get all that data. It’s larger than anyone’s hard drives. It has to be streamed. Who is going to pay for that? The servers that stuff will live on? Microsoft is in a unique position. LR doesn’t have those resources. LM doesn’t want to spend their resources on that because P3D to them is a tiny side project.

Yes, I understand the mechanics, I am purely puting a perspective from a simmer's view of WHAT drives me to fly MSFS most of the time now.

If that situation was ever to change then IMHO, this is what would put the other 2 sims back on the map.
 

2 hours ago, pgde said:

Once the LM presenter stated that it was LM's policy not to discuss timeframes, roadmaps, etc, I knew that the presentation was going to be useless for us. In fact, with a few exceptions (like Thrustmaster), I am glad I didn't drive over to San Diego since many of the presentations IMHO were not in depth. Spending several hundred dollars for hotels, etc, seemed a bit much for the value of the information provided. For instance, the Jetline presentation didn't add any new information that isn't already available from other sources. 

Just my 2 cents from a 45 year long simmer.

Yeah it really just seemed like a reminder to us that we're not the focus. Xplane 12's room was full, P3D maybe 1/3, so there you go. 

Is there a P3D YouTube from the Expo? 

I will stay with P3D because microsoft can sell us again after 2-3 years . I want to see PMDG to build MD-11..

It is a shame but it really does feel like P3D is in a death spiral for the casual simmer. This latest FS expo has pretty much confirmed that. 

I know I'm in a minority but I remain satisfied with P3D for my type of flying. Predominantly IFR and when you're flying at FL380 how much difference is there between the view from default MSFS and P3D with FTX Global, Ultimate Terrain X and FS Global?

I have detailed coastlines, accurate rivers and roads. The PMDG737 is stable. And apart from occasional DXGI errors which I'm currently circumventing with Registry fixed the sim is very stable. When I look at the number of posts in the MSFS forum about this broken and that not working when it did before the latest update I'm counting my blessings.

If you want to enjoy the view (assuming it's not cloudy) then MSFS is fine. If you prefer to fly and monitor a quality aircraft then P3D remains the choice of many.

As I've said to others - the prettiest lady doesn't always make the best wife. 😁

52 minutes ago, rocketlaunch said:

It is a shame but it really does feel like P3D is in a death spiral for the casual simmer. This latest FS expo has pretty much confirmed that. 

Of course the new kid on the block with the shiniest looking toy is going to get the sheeples attention, but since when has LM ever provided a useful road map of what they are planning... They are military after all.

I don't see myself moving from P3D any time soon, it's got all the planes and everything I need.

MSFS is a bit like a case of the Emperor's new  clothes atm, it doesn't even model redouts or blackouts and it has so many things missing it's not funny, but hey 🙂 sure is shiny...

Cheers

 

 

Edited September 27, 20214 yr by Rogen