13 minutes ago, Rockliffe said:

I think you misread me Dave, I'm not referring to the thread and the problems of the OP, I'm referring to the continual issues in MSFS 

Yes I did Howard just read your relies.

Sorry mate. 🙂

 I guess to most simmers (me included these are trivial issues). MSFS will cater to the masses who world update or new things to do (Reno Races). People may complain but if you spent millions over 4 years to build this game you would not be focusing on the niche users either.

I am sure they will fix these in time. They fixed a lot of things since release. I think they are on the right track.

35 minutes ago, kand said:

+1, its almost like Asobos contract with MS from release has been weighted to build cosmetic updates and bring the sim to xbox. Whatever Xbox benefits are gleaned get passed onto the simmers as an SU benefit with regression!

I am becoming frustrated with MSFS, they spoiled P3d for me (eye candy) but the core aspect of simulated flight within MSFS seems to have been forgotten since release. Just hope that now xbox is done, they focus on the PC platform and sorting out all the issues/ideas for improvement the community has raised but remain unaddressed.

Jorg talks a good talk and the dev engagement on the Q&As are great but action is required, no more sound bites filling the time up with "super cool" lip service  😁  

Precisely.

1 hour ago, kand said:

+1, its almost like Asobos contract with MS from release has been weighted to build cosmetic updates and bring the sim to xbox. Whatever Xbox benefits are gleaned get passed onto the simmers as an SU benefit with regression!

I am becoming frustrated with MSFS, they spoiled P3d for me (eye candy) but the core aspect of simulated flight within MSFS seems to have been forgotten since release. Just hope that now xbox is done, they focus on the PC platform and sorting out all the issues/ideas for improvement the community has raised but remain unaddressed.

Jorg talks a good talk and the dev engagement on the Q&As are great but action is required, no more sound bites filling the time up with "super cool" lip service  😁  

Although I understand your frustration. the xbox ecosystem is important to the flight sim community. It also help finances future changes or features for the overall sim. Yes, they kinda lost focus on the PC platform due to the xbox version but we also had significant performance gain because of the xbox version. So please don't hate on the console, they are as important as the PC community. 

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by fogboundturtle

35 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Although I understand your frustration. the xbox ecosystem is important to the flight sim community. It also help finances future changes or features for the overall sim. Yes, they kinda lost focus on the PC platform due to the xbox version but we also had significant performance gain because of the xbox version. So please don't hate on the console, they are as important as the PC community. 

And this is an old story.

I've mentioned before, this semi-demonization of the casuals/gamers, etc and the incessant demands for more and more detailed minutiae is something I saw back when sims were everywhere and you could barely walk more than a few steps without tripping over one.

Same talk of dumbing-down, go-back-to-your videogames Flightsims are for serious people, we are the true audience etc, etc etc.....

And the casuals did exactly that, and took their money with them. POP! went the profits that paid for all that stuff that the button-pushers were demanding, and pop! went the heyday of flightsimming.......

We may be ready to repeat that history, but I'm pretty sure Microsoft is not.

29 minutes ago, fogboundturtle said:

Although I understand your frustration. the xbox ecosystem is important to the flight sim community. It also help finances future changes or features for the overall sim. Yes, they kinda lost focus on the PC platform due to the xbox version but we also had significant performance gain because of the xbox version. So please don't hate on the console, they are as important as the PC community. 

I didn't think I was "hating" on Xbox! If it came across that way I apologise and I agree that its an important part of the overall business plan to recoup the millions its cost so far 

Yes MSFS got optimised because of Xbox, but mainly so it would fit within a consoles confines (as stated by Asobo), and those "benefits" were passed onto the PC users who quickly realised the gain was at the sacrifice of detail (regression) so a slider was provided to return to pre SU5 visuals at the expense of SU5 performance..... and that nulls some of the original perf gain 😆😆

Sure SU5 is not all about xbox and there are many other goodies in there, I am being flippant above really but the dev Q&A sessions are becoming a bit repetitive for me ( loads of super cool stuff coming but no progress elsewhere) and I wondered that the postponement of the last was simply to let the atmosphere cool down as I think the forum hostility was boiling over a bit after SU5. 

Anyway its still a great product and the best looking Flightsim we have ever had, we all want it to be the best for our own use and that's going to take time, I am fine with that as long as they fix my items first lol ! 

Just for reference, I just took these as an example of my tree distance (ultra) with no changes to the sim at all.

To me, it looks ok, and I'm actually satisfied with it.

Am I too easily pleased?

 

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by HiFlyer

1 minute ago, HiFlyer said:

Just for reference, I just too these as an example of my tree distance (ultra) with no changes to the sim at all.

To me, it looks ok, and I'm actually satisfied with it.

Am I too easily pleased?

 

I think there are maybe two or three millimeters on the horizon which don't have trees. 

That is what we are dealing with here. 

When I fly for real, this is what I see too. In fact the 'draw distance' is usually much less than in these pictures. 

But this is what some people want so, here we are. 

8 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Am I too easily pleased?

Yes. You should be jumping up and down with rage! 🤬

On 9/20/2021 at 6:05 AM, Shack95 said:

What‘s particularly annoying and baffling is that it happens over and over again. At some point floating lights were a topic many people complained about, then they were fixed in some areas, now they‘re back again. Same with excessive lightning, trees, draw distance etc. I know, these things will get (re-)fixed, but the problem is that you never know if they get „re-broken“ again at some point. 

not only that but when they will (re)fix any of these issues later, they will probably also break the compatibility/stability of addons requiring 3rd party developers to update on their end.  Horrible, horrible cycle. 

 

56 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Just for reference, I just took these as an example of my tree distance (ultra) with no changes to the sim at all.

To me, it looks ok, and I'm actually satisfied with it.

Am I too easily pleased?

Looks great but it seems the ill informed (not you)forget its down to LAT, Brazil is one of the best placers and go north to say North Norway and....O dear! But the silly comments from the same people will alway come.

Do they not know this was a bug that was fixed and now is back? and needs fixing again.

Yer I know, lets not point out anything wrong and sit in a circle happy clapping and praise the great XXX Asobo.

How Dare people take screenshot and point problems out..how dare they......burn them at the stake. Get your pitchforks out happy clappers. Becasue there is nothing wrong at all with anything is there!

Yes this is the best sim we have ever had and is a dream come true, but some of us what to point out bug and probelms and hope Asobo fixers them, strangely!!! you happy clappers will enjoy the fixers if you could see in frount of your nose's.

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by Nyxx

It seems to me that object draw distance in MSFS is calculated based on observer height above ground rather than distance from observer to object. Two different things. It explains why MSFS night lighting is great below ~2000FT and starts to suck when observer gains altitude.

5 hours ago, 6297J said:

I think there are maybe two or three millimeters on the horizon which don't have trees. 

That is what we are dealing with here. 

When I fly for real, this is what I see too. In fact the 'draw distance' is usually much less than in these pictures. 

But this is what some people want so, here we are. 

And around and around we go...

Everything on high, trees to ultra, empty community folder

 

6 hours ago, HiFlyer said:

Just for reference, I just took these as an example of my tree distance (ultra) with no changes to the sim at all.

To me, it looks ok, and I'm actually satisfied with it.

Am I too easily pleased?

 

It depends on where you fly, it really does not look like that in Scandinavia.

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by Ixoye

Just to reiterate, this bug seems to be a reappearance of one first noted by Bijan (I think?) that depends on latitude. Draw distance at the extremes gets progressively smaller.

Edited September 23, 20214 yr by scotchegg