I'll soon start flamming the discussion with yet another sim ! THE BEST FLIGHTSIM PRESENTLY AVAILABLE ! IL-2 Sturmovik Great Battles !!!

Ya all a bunch of Chiken Armchair pilots affraid of getting into AIR COMBAT ! That's what YA ARE !

And... flight dynamics wise, way AHEAD of either the XP / MFS toys....

Wake up !  Come flying in the heat of the air combat !

🤣

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by jcomm

Don't blame them it's better than the rest!!!

20 minutes ago, mtaxp said:

If pro x-plane comment- derailed.

If anti x-plane comment- kudos for the very lucrative discussion.

Gotcha😅

Abrams was talking about visuals in a thread about visuals. You were so butthurt by what he said, you had to jump in and start talking about flight models, avionics and other things not related to the discussion at hand. It's a textbook example of why some people have to wonder about cult-like behavior. You derailed the thread. Not @abrams_tank, YOU.

 

  

5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I agree with @lwt1971. @flying_carpet, you seem to be very biased in your discussions here.

The X-Plane users are the evil ones (cult), wheras the MSFS users are the good guys ... although there are some of them going (literally many hundreds of times) to the X-Plane forum for praising MSFS and derailing threads. I even saw MSFS users insulting X-Plane users being trolls ... in the X-Plane forum. Isnn't that a "bit" over the top? Imagine, X-Plane users come into this forum many hundreds of times and one of them titles you as troll. However, of course MSFS users aren't cult members and all that's justifiable because ... you know ... MSFS ... sliced bread ... Isn't that biased, too? No, of course not because, the MSFS users are the good guys ... although there are ...

So, you still evaded my following questions, about who is talking civilized and who doesn't ...

13 hours ago, flying_carpet said:

I have seen MSFS users posting (or should I say spamming?) lots of pictures and videos of MSFS and they fought back* (isnt it their right to do so, as you also wrote further above "expect pushback from MSFS users"?). Therefore they were called "rabid dogs" - not by you but by other MSFS users. BTW, why are you taking it this personal? So, if MSFS users are pushing back, are they also rabid dogs?

*However, I haven't seen an X-Plane user titling MSFS users as "the most pathetic person in this forum", or "fanbo.ism .... sh.t" like it happened in this very thread by MSFS users. How would you call people who are expresseing themselves this way?

 

 

5 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

So are you implying that I am newer to flight simming but you have been in flight simming longer? Why highlight my join date? But since you are highlighting my join date, maybe I should highlight your join date:

My join date doesn't necessarily mean, I started with flight simulation at that time. I indeed started with MSFS, then, later, joined AVSIM. However, I increasingly got unsatisfied, because I found out that there are several things missing in MSFS - due to posts like "Has MSFS stalled?" (the core sim itself didn't evolve much, but only several WU's were published), somewhere I read about missing birdstrikes (and thought - THAT would be a cool feature), and I also realized that there aren't any turbulences in the clouds. I have flown a few times in GA machines and many times in airliners. Especially from the latter case, I know for sure that there are turbulences in clouds, partly very severe.
So, I searched for alternatives, and now ... you know I have found it.

 

19 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

We have dual users of XP and MSFS in this thread, which is fine, because those are users of MSFS in the end (ie. Jcomm, MrBitstFlyer, etc).

I still have MSFS on my disc, although I use it less, recently. So, I'm still a MSFS user in the end 😀 .

Now I'm out of this discussion.

 

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by flying_carpet

10 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

My join date doesn't necessarily mean, I started with flight simulation at that time. I indeed started with MSFS, then, later, joined AVSIM.

Then why did you highlight my join date? 

12 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

  Now I'm out of this discussion.

Thank you, that would be great. We would like to return to the topic of iniBuilds focusing on MSFS, here in the MSFS forums.

1 hour ago, mtaxp said:

I'm not a fan of the org whatsoever in fact not active there since a very long time, but from what I see I suspect you get everything you personally deserve. Lets just say, you are prime example of being uneducated and rude regarding many topics. Sometimes better to let go rather tahn dig your own hole even further, and that is suffice to say.

 

 

LOL! Pot calling the kettle black. 😂

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by jarmstro

25 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Then why did you highlight my join date?

Ok, one last time ... you don't see the "coincidence" 🙃? Thanks for letting me clarify: the biggest MSFS wipper-in of this forum joined a few days before MSFS 2020 was published.

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by flying_carpet

10 minutes ago, flying_carpet said:

Ok, one last time ... you don't see the "coincidence" 🙃? Thanks for letting me clarifying: the biggest MSFS wipper-in joined a few days before MSFS 2020 was published.

I'm sure a lot of people created an Avsim account around the time that MSFS was released.  Yes, believe it or not, MSFS drew a lot of people back into flight simulation like me.

And I already mentioned that I will jump ship from MSFS if a better and cheaper product comes out, which I haven't seen yet.

At the same time, if you like XP so much over MSFS, I don't know why you spend almost 80% of your total Avsim posts here in the MSFS forum, with many of those posts trying to tell us how much better XP is over MSFS.  For someone that likes XP so much over MSFS, that's not normal at all (a normal XP user who primarily uses XP, would be spending most of their time in the XP forums here in Avsim).  Now with that said, good luck to you, I hope you have a lot of fun in the XP forums here at Avsim.

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by abrams_tank

6 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Now with that said, good luck to you, I hope you have a lot of fun in the XP forums here at Avsim.

That was mean 😅

Trying to stay relevant to the original posting and to the direction the thread mostly went...

As a 95% MSFS user since early in the alpha hamster stage, my main use case for X-plane is

Flying the iniBuilds A-300 (the only MSFS jetliner that meets my criteria is the BAE146)

Using the LiveTraffic plugin

 - I get R/W aircraft displayed and they fly right, untroubled by sim ATC (unlike MSFS where the ATC takes them over and screws them up)
 - with correct models and liveries (AIG could do most of that, but too complicated to install for me)

At an airport with 

- good LiveAtc.net coverage (eg Dublin, Geneva) I can follow traffic down from FL100+ to the gate, following STARS and can even replace a specific aircraft which no longer displays so the R/W ATC could be talking to me (for which I need sim ATC to leave them alone)
- free Ortho scenery for the airfield location with XPLane 'plausible' autogen - given the usual dodgy weather and the limited view from the cockpit this is fine (sometimes better than MSFS which can put great office blocks where a farm should be)

1 hour ago, flying_carpet said:

  

 

 

 

Now I'm out of this discussion.

 

Thank God...

5 minutes ago, keithb77 said:

Trying to stay relevant to the original posting and to the direction the thread mostly went...

As a 95% MSFS user since early in the alpha hamster stage, my main use case for X-plane is

Flying the iniBuilds A-300 (the only MSFS jetliner that meets my criteria is the BAE146)

Using the LiveTraffic plugin

 - I get R/W aircraft displayed and they fly right, untroubled by sim ATC (unlike MSFS where the ATC takes them over and screws them up)
 - with correct models and liveries (AIG could do most of that, but too complicated to install for me)

At an airport with 

- good LiveAtc.net coverage (eg Dublin, Geneva) I can follow traffic down from FL100+ to the gate, following STARS and can even replace a specific aircraft which no longer displays so the R/W ATC could be talking to me (for which I need sim ATC to leave them alone)
- free Ortho scenery for the airfield location with XPLane 'plausible' autogen - given the usual dodgy weather and the limited view from the cockpit this is fine (sometimes better than MSFS which can put great office blocks where a farm should be)

How do you get over looking at the crumby looking scenery?

Haha this thread gonna get locked again.

9 minutes ago, VBHB said:

Haha this thread gonna get locked again.

Kudos to the mods for letting this one go. Hopefully the anti-MSFS posts will flame out and the OP can have the discussion he wanted.

It's all very sad and hilarious at the same time... and not just on this thread re: iniBuilds, also about the Fenix, and the way all the great aircrafts have come on to the MSFS scene in May 2022, and all the praise from so many different corners including unbiased IRL pilots, the leads/CEOs of developers themselves chiming in, veteran simmer reviewers, veteran users of other sims now using MSFS, etc... all of this, just seems to be triggering the shills of other sims. They just can't take it especially ever since May 2022 it looks like. Before, they could cling on to some perceived sense of superiority and keep dumping on MSFS about simpleton aircrafts and avionics since all it had were the default birds, and now all that is completely moot. And whatever coming new incarnations of other sim(s) is not really getting any attention or traction, so here they are, in the MSFS forum, where all the community activity is, trying to get attention and downplay MSFS as they always try to do.

I mean, when the lead/CEO of iniBuilds, a respected aircrafts and scenery developer goes out of his way to say "Just to be fully clear, our flight model in MSFS is on par to XP, So those still wanting to negate MSFS as a viable sim solution based on those reasons, don't speak too soon", then me, as a long time simmer who has used FSX/P3D/XP/etc and now using MSFS, I am encouraged and happy, since I actually respect XP's flight model and am glad to hear iniBuilds say that MSFS is at par there... but what do XP fans do? well, unsurprisingly they get all triggered and then try to downplay it.

Similarly with the Fenix A320, and PMDG 737, and Milviz C310, and Sting S4, and on and on... it's quite clear to all with functioning brains that these are stellar aircraft, with realistic flight dynamics and systems and avionics, in MSFS... Let me repeat that: let alone the "influencers" like Fabio/Chewwy/etc, let alone the unbiased IRL pilots like "Into the Blue Simulations, "320 Sim Pilot", "Blackbox 711", "flightdeck2sim", etc (a lot of whome btw are veteran simmers on XP and P3D). Even discounting all these people, we the community can judge for ourselves about MSFS and various add-on aircrafts, without needing their blessing :). But again, unsurprisingly, those tribalist fans of other sims (and in some case other 3PD devs) absolutely hate all this and then contort themselves even further to try and downplay it all. I mean, be happy with your sim or sims of choice... and don't get triggered after all these years of stagnancy in flight simming that kept the focus on your sims, now that MSFS has come and upended things 🙂

Edited June 8, 20223 yr by lwt1971