9 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

Some people are happy with the progress so far. Maybe different points of view?

People underwhelmed by the progress so far have a reason to disbelieve them, but a portion of the community is happy and waiting for the future updates. 

Exactly. For those not choosing to believe MS/Asobo, best bet is to go on the official forums to make your disbelief heard... complaining here on avsim does nothing. From the looks of it, MS/Asobo seem to be hearing some things loud and clear such as the need for longer betas and responding more to beta feedback, etc all in order to deliver more polished SUs that don't introduce regressions. Let's see how SU10 goes.

But ya, for a lot of us, all this transparency and troves of information they provide is quite useful.. and no sorry, new features are not all "half-baked" or "abandoned". What they started with CFD and atmospheric airflows in SU9 for example is continuing to be enhanced in SU10, then SU11, and onwards. Similarly to various other aspects. We quite like the onslaught of improvements and would gladly take more, only with more attention to QA and not introducing regressions.

Edited June 20, 20223 yr by lwt1971

I've been quite vocal in terms of criticism but have adjusted my expectations a bit recently. Reading the interview with Jörg did help in the belief that they are constantly working on core sim issues in addition to releasing new content. But no doubt it's a monumental task fixing all the bugs and keeping the sim stable. So I choose to trust the team in their endeavour to make the sim as good as possible. They certainly seem enthusiastic about the project. Of course their transparency could possibly be even better by interacting on the official forum. But I guess they have community mods for that. 

Now I'm off to go hunting for some cool toothpaste-colored water!

5 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

...Now I'm off to go hunting for some cool toothpaste-colored water!

Colgate bay is supposed to be good! 

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

Exactly. For those not choosing to believe MS/Asobo, best bet is to go on the official forums to make your disbelief heard...

and get silenced in the process. Do you think I've always been this grumpy since MSFS launched? Everyone has their limits.

 

May I ask btw, at which point did you become so optimistic? I've noticed certain users like to defend Microsoft and Asobo no matter what. Always first to stand up for them and always an answer to everything they do (or not do).

Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. Another name that springs to mind is abrams_tank. Why and how do you guys do it? I want to become more optimistic, please share your secret to MSFS nirvana.

16 minutes ago, Moana Lisa said:

and get silenced in the process. Do you think I've always been this grumpy since MSFS launched? Everyone has their limits.

 

May I ask btw, at which point did you become so optimistic? I've noticed certain users like to defend Microsoft and Asobo no matter what. Always first to stand up for them and always an answer to everything they do (or not do).

Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. Another name that springs to mind is abrams_tank. Why and how do you guys do it? I want to become more optimistic, please share your secret to MSFS nirvana.

Why are you sucking me into this conversation? 

Just use constructive criticism in the official MSFS forums.  MSFS is far from perfect, but the best way to go about getting changes from Microsoft/Asobo is to give constructive criticism.

This doesn't mean being sour grapes. Just prod Microsoft/Asobo in a productive way.

2 hours ago, Moana Lisa said:

and get silenced in the process. Do you think I've always been this grumpy since MSFS launched? Everyone has their limits.

 

May I ask btw, at which point did you become so optimistic? I've noticed certain users like to defend Microsoft and Asobo no matter what. Always first to stand up for them and always an answer to everything they do (or not do).

Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. Another name that springs to mind is abrams_tank. Why and how do you guys do it? I want to become more optimistic, please share your secret to MSFS nirvana.

Maybe just set your expectations right.

If you don’t like the current state of the sim and you don’t think they are going in the right direction (also think they are silencing you), you should just put this sim aside and move on. At least it is what I would do. 

Edited June 20, 20223 yr by ca_metal

1 hour ago, Moana Lisa said:

Nothing personal, just something I've noticed. Another name that springs to mind is abrams_tank. Why and how do you guys do it? I want to become more optimistic, please share your secret to MSFS nirvana.

Not sure quite sure what to say except that I'm realistic and pragmatic. Also especially having used various (nearly all) flight simulators for over 30 years, and having seen and suffered the stagnation of most of them over long spans, I quite like what we keep getting in MSFS just under two years since initial release, versus what we're not. Also, for me the problems that remain are far less significant than it appears to be for some others, so I don't get as angry lol (even if I did I wouldn't waste my time venting on avsim). For me, overall, MSFS and its thriving ecosystem, and the passion/dedication shown by not just MS/Asobo but also various 3rd party devs, combined with the fact that so many free improvements for the core sim along with great payware aircrafts that seem to coming and coming... ya all that makes me very optimistic 🙂

I'd say I first became optimistic after the releases of the DC6 and Kodiak that provided initial clues that MSFS was a platform that can handle serious aircraft, and then especially after May 2022 after the deluge of high-fidelity realistic aircraft that more than proved that point. So having these on a platform that also recreates the world in such an amazing manner, JUST THAT, is enough for me to be optimistic.

You say you get silenced on the official forums, but isn't the main "general discussion" section there full of complaints, always? and they seem to be around and still complaining. Regardless, MS/Asobo do seem to be observing the complaints about stability and regression and trying to act on it >= SU10.

I suppose for you, *not* complaining and venting about MSFS all the time would seem like "nirvana" ... perspective is a wondrous thing.
 

Edited June 20, 20223 yr by lwt1971

35 minutes ago, Moana Lisa said:

and get silenced in the process. Do you think I've always been this grumpy since MSFS launched? Everyone has their limits.

 

 

I had a massive software/hardware problem a few years back (fs related) and could not get anywhere, on any forum or yt. I literally had to pay for a computer expert in to sort it out.. So i know how it feels to have a problem not fixed... not nice . That said i think it helps (just a thought) to single out a problem one at a time, and not a long list, To keep the focus. Then take it one step at a time.  Also the variables are high between servers/users..

I dont think people want to mindlessly defend msfs, but complaints need to be streamlined for effiency. Maybe this is a lot of waffle 😊 but it is what i think, even so.

edit: just to add there are really good tech people right here . So maybe start here first.

Edited June 20, 20223 yr by icewater5

33 minutes ago, Moana Lisa said:

Why and how do you guys do it? I want to become more optimistic, please share your secret to MSFS nirvana.

Since you ask.  It has to do with getting one's expectations in line with reality, appreciating the fact we don't really have a clue what's involved w/ their deployment, why they make the priority decisions they make, how difficult it is, and so forth.  We look at the scope of the project which is huge.  We look at the value of what we have rec'd for the money spent--it's in a league by itself.  There is no need for scenery addons save the airports you know well enough to appreciate buying from the content providers--but this is really quite optional because default airports are far more decent out of the box than in the competition.  WUs w/ bespoke airports come out regularly at no further cost to the user.  We now have RealTime online traffic that continues to improve its choreography to the point where now, almost always, I have an orderly gate to gate syncing of my own flights, to Realtime Online traffic.  This feature isn't offered in XP-12 according to comments on the local forum.  This is a big immersion winner for me.  It's not totally perfected but is improving, and I'm sure it's really tricky to get right.  Performance is rock solid--I can fly into and out of any terminal w/ no loss of fluid 30fps by vsync.  Weather improves in some ways, remote global weather seems to be improving, but needs lots of work still to start improving cloud resolution in particular (maybe DLSS/DX12 might help here).  We have some excellent aircraft available for modest cost.  There are a multitude of utilities and apps that work well w/ MSFS for modest cost.  On the whole, if you have good internet bandwidth you can expect to be able to fly 99.8% of the time with a modicum of interuptions, at least that is my experience and I fly daily almost since Aug 2020 and I know many others share this same experience.  

We have to appreciate we do not have inside knowledge of why they prioritize what they do, but it seems reasonable to defer a little to their wisdom after all they have brought it to where it is today, and it's in a total class by itself now for certain attributes that are not shared by the other flight sims.  There is no reason to believe they are stalling, or giving up on MSFS' future.  They know where they need to focus for their entire audience (PC/Xbox/Possible Training role, or not) to accomodate their end game and budget.  

So this is where the optimism comes from--nirvana it isn't.  Fully aware of its shortcomings, but also fully aware of its many strengths.  They said 10y, it's now 1.8y.  Full context.

I try to have reasonable expectations about MSFS development, which on the average leads to being reasonably satisfied with how things develop, which is a reasonably nice feeling.

It's been huge value for money at launch and it's even steadily getting more.

@moaner_lisa - sounds like you can't be optimistic because your personality won't allow it.

We are optimistic about MSFS because it is the best flight Sim available.

sp

Moaner Lisa, Moaner Lisa, we have named you
You're so like the type to spread the FUD with style
Is it only for your old sims they have blamed you?
For that consistent salty strangeness in your replies?

Do you try to tempt a derail, Moaner Lisa?
When your favorite stagnant sims get picked apart?
Valid arguments have been brought to your doorstep
They just lie there, and they die there
Are you mad? Are you jealous, Moaner Lisa?
When MSFS puts the competition in the dark?

 

Moaner Lisa

Moaner Lisaaaaaaa

1 hour ago, Noel said:

We now have RealTime online traffic that continues to improve its choreography to the point where now, almost always, I have an orderly gate to gate syncing of my own flights, to Realtime Online traffic

I haven't noticed any improvement. But then again I've been doing mostly GA flying lately. If it is indeed an improved they must have launched the improvements through their servers, since there's not been any mentioning of this in SU9. If there is a significant improvement, I'll pop a bottle of Prosecco.

6 minutes ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I haven't noticed any improvement. But then again I've been doing mostly GA flying lately. If it is indeed an improved they must have launched the improvements through their servers, since there's not been any mentioning of this in SU9. If there is a significant improvement, I'll pop a bottle of Prosecco.

I noticed this around 2 weeks ago.  I assumed it was serendipity but so far after a lot of flights it's holding up.  Of course I'm doing airliners and that's really what I'm looking at.  This shot depicts what I'm referring to--very orderly, non chaotic behaving, and that is new for this, for me.  It has to sync up my flight along w/ realtime traffic via flightaware I understand it is and it's been remarkably orderly and even ATC is doing well managing all of this, now for as I say 2 weeks, several different airports, many flights in two diff birds.

I use SimpleTraffic along w/ Realtime Online Traffic.  Ever since they re-enabled take-offs of RT Online Traffic it's been really screwy, but not now.  They have to grapple with my flight, plus incoming/outgoing realtime traffic and figure out how to avoid conflicts.  I hope it holds up and I would fully expect this to come from the server side. 

 

Edited June 20, 20223 yr by Noel