7 minutes ago, Bob Scott said:

Similarly, the iniBuilds A300 in XP has more than answered the mail on that airframe as well.

Yup. That's the one that made me fall in love with the '300.

P3D is pretty much dead and that's a fact. The only thing holding back P3D users today are aircraft addons like PMDG, QualityWings, TFDi, FSLabs, etc. The thing is, almost all of these devs have already announced that they will be bringing their products to MSFS, and when they all come, there will be no reason for anyone to still want to stay on P3D.

4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think it's a matter of time until the XP 3rd party devs abandon XP for MSFS, with XP 12's very poor reception:

 

I think it's harder for an XP 3rd party developer to migrate to MSFS compared to a P3D 3rd party dev. P3D and MSFS share many things in common in their code, making the transition very smooth. Meanwhile, XP and MSFS are totally different simulators. Any XP 3rd party dev that wants to migrate to MSFS will have to remake their products from scratch, and worse, on a platform they have no knowledge of. That's a lot of money to spend on this process, money that many of them don't have.

That's why I see many XP devs see MSFS as an unnecessary risk and don't want to think about migration, at least as long as the XP11 user base remains relatively solid. Obviously this scenario will change in a few years to the point that some might think that the migration is worth the risk than staying on a dying platform.

4 hours ago, SierraDelta said:

Indeed, wonder who's next? FSLabs?

I don't count on it. FSLabs seems to be the only big dev that is still committed to P3D for some unexplained reason. They've made bad choices in the past, so it doesn't surprise me that they're making one more bad choice.

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8 hours ago, Gilandred said:

Um what?  Are you talking about about an MFD that shows the magenta line?  The older BAE146s that Justflight models do not have those either, so in that sense it’s realistic.  They’ve also stated plans to bring newer garmin avionics to that version.  And the RF models with both glass PFD and MFD are in active development.  Maybe I’m misunderstanding your post but it doesn’t look like any of your information is correct.

The newer 146 or modernized and the Justflight one has a FMC, aaaand a FMC ALWAYS has a MFD with the path, JSF 146 totally unrealistic and illogical in that. I do not understand that defence of the undefendable that someone does, yes maybe employees of the JSF defending their product, I don´t know. You could have a PC without monitor too....

Good move financially for Just Flight. I've always wanted a decent 747 classic and have been keeping my eye on their 747 development a while now. As a MSFS user, I have even been considering installing x-plane just for the Felis 747 classic. 

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10 hours ago, styckx said:

Exactly. Some may forget but AVSIM used to be a toxic cesspit. Sorry mods but it was.

FSX was untouchable for ages. Dare talk negatively about it and you were doomed.

MS Flight came along and lord things got even worse..  It was ugly here.

DoveTail Games came in vulture like agenda and did the FSX Steam thing.. Which was.. Just FSX with patches anyone else could do

Prepar3D came along and it was a civil war. As FSX aged and Prepar3D matured the tides started slowly turning

Then X-Plane came into what is likely to be its pinnacle of success because of Ortho and Orbx.

The end story is. The simulator market has been beating a dead horse for decades.  Until 2020

Actually 2020 was pretty bad here, compared to peaceful 2018-2019.  Lots of zealotry, sim-denigrating and misinformation going on in 2020.

It's improved quite a lot in the last 2 years though.  It's almost (not quite) back to 2018-2019.  Even Hangar Chat got off the rails in 2020.

I missed 2009-2017 at AVSIM though, and it sounds like I didn't miss much?

I use all three P3D, MSFS and XP, and I invest in all three. My main concern with the entire third-party developers ecosystem moving exclusively towards a single sim has historical roots... let's just hope Satya Nadella isn't replaced by a next-gen Steve Ballmer.

 

1 hour ago, Mace said:

Actually 2020 was pretty bad here, compared to peaceful 2018-2019.  Lots of zealotry, sim-denigrating and misinformation going on in 2020.

It's improved quite a lot in the last 2 years though.  It's almost (not quite) back to 2018-2019.  Even Hangar Chat got off the rails in 2020.

I missed 2009-2017 at AVSIM though, and it sounds like I didn't miss much?

I quit AVSIM for many years.  The elder "gatekeepers" of FSX were just too much to handle and the moderation at the time was pure insanity.  So I don't exactly remember a "peaceful period".

I like it how it is right now. The moderating is fair and light handed and the users are very nice for the most part. Some can be a bit snippy, even I can be at times. We all can but overall it's pretty civilized and I like it again.

The issue with MSFS compared to Xplane is Linux and Mac.  Most Xplane diehards use Linux or Mac which MSFS will never be able to do.  

1 hour ago, evaamo said:

I use all three P3D, MSFS and XP, and I invest in all three. My main concern with the entire third-party developers ecosystem moving exclusively towards a single sim has historical roots... let's just hope Satya Nadella isn't replaced by a next-gen Steve Ballmer.

 

IMO, it’s inevitable that all the 3rd party developers gravitate to MSFS now, because MSFS is so far ahead of the competition technologically. If Android hadn’t succeeded, and the IPhone became the sole monopoly in the mobile market, I think all the mobile app developers would have gravitated towards IPhone.

I think MSFS will become like the dominant years of VHS, Every movie and show was released on VHS, there wasn’t another alternative during the dominant years of VHS.

12 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I think it's a matter of time until the XP 3rd party devs abandon XP for MSFS, with XP 12's very poor reception:

And for those who claim that most XP users bought XP 12 from x-plane.com directly and not through Steam, what matters here is comparing the scale of numbers here.  Assuming more people also bought XP 11 from x-plane.com directly if you go by that same logic that more XP users buy from x-plane.com than Steam, it's how much more smaller the XP 12 numbers are compared to XP 11 on Steam (also, many MSFS users by MSFS via the Microsoft Store).

I think within the next 2 years, we will see major 3rd party devs from XP, move to MSFS.

 

Wow, we knew the other platforms were on the decline and these stats paint an obvious picture. If certain developers do not make the switch they will not have a viable market based on numbers and sales margins. Aerobask is pretty much glued to XPlane and they are a team that I will miss should the declining trend not level off. From what I understand, they are reluctant to make the cross platform move. 

2 hours ago, peloto said:

Justflight one has a FMC, aaaand a FMC ALWAYS has a MFD with the path, JSF 146 totally unrealistic and illogical in that. I do not understand that defence of the undefendable that someone does, yes maybe employees of the JSF defending their product, I don´t know. You could have a PC without monitor too....

I've read some wild things on Avsim before, but this one might take the cake. No, just because a plane has an FMC or GPS doesn't mean there will be an MFD "with the path". A lot of time those are paired with an analog HSI. The older 146's indeed only had one FMC and it was paired with an HSI. 

I suggest you do research before coming on here making up nonsense. 

21 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

IMO, it’s inevitable that all the 3rd party developers gravitate to MSFS now, because MSFS is so far ahead of the competition technologically. If Android hadn’t succeeded, and the IPhone became the sole monopoly in the mobile market, I think all the mobile app developers would have gravitated towards IPhone.

I think MSFS will become like the dominant years of VHS, Every movie and show was released on VHS, there wasn’t another alternative during the dominant years of VHS.

I don't disagree with you, quite the opposite. But, as a customer, I find it concerning. We all benefit from competition. 

6 minutes ago, evaamo said:

I don't disagree with you, quite the opposite. But, as a customer, I find it concerning. We all benefit from competition. 

Oh, I agree with you that competition definitely helps to advance the  flight simulation industry.

Because of the poor competition now for IPhone, with Android being the only other real competitor, the last several models for IPhone have been rather lacklustre and stale, One review I saw said that if you already own an IPhone 12 or IPhone 13, there really isn’t a point in getting the new IPhone 14.

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1 minute ago, abrams_tank said:

Oh, I agree with you that competition definitely helps to advance the  flight simulation industry.

Because of the poor competition now for IPhone, with Android being the only other real competitor, the last several models for IPhone have been rather lacklustre and stale, One review I saw said that if you already own an IPhone 12 or IPhone 13, there really isn’t a point in getting the new IPhone 14.

As an iPhone 13 Pro user myself, I can confirm this for you. No incentive whatsoever. 

Speaking of JustFlight, I've always had the impression that they take on a lot more projects simultaneously than (perhaps) they should.  Good dev group, but I think they make themselves too busy with various projects, the result being delays and even announcements like the one that is the topic of this thread.