12 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Just made some notes on the approach phase, thought I'd share them here. They're based on the "return to airliners" tutorial series by iniBuild. 

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10,000' => LDG lights on, seatbelts on

Set engine ignition to cont. relight around 8000'

Approach checklist

 

ILS on approx. 30nm from destination

First flaps around 220kts

Press "land" when LOC is alive + engage second autopilot if autoland

At flaps 1 speed => flaps 2 (airplane will be in managed speed mode)

Glideslope alive => gear down + arm spoilers + taxi & rwy turnoff lights

Glideslope star => select final app speed + flaps 3

Flaps full (30/40)

 

Landing checklist

FMA retard => idle thrust

Nosewheel down => reverse thrust

Below 70 kts => idle thrust, autopilot off

 

Runway vacated: LDG lights off, strobe lights auto, TCAS standby, weather radar off, APU on, brake fan as req., ignition normal, engine anti-ice off, spoilers up, flaps up

After landing checklist

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Please let me know if something's incorrect. 

A great summary - thanks! 

One thing within the above that I found 'made all the difference', was the smooth and constant application and adjustment of the spoilers all the way down the glide slope from before the Landing-button press, all the way through to just above the final few hundred feet above the ground, aided by the additional diamond profile-adherence pop up gauge in the lower display, and the very careful adjustment of speed / altitude / flap in line with the FMS minimums.  So far - from a former success rate of 1 in 10 - now: 6 ILS attempts / 6 successful arrivals  🙂 

15 minutes ago, mrueedi said:

Why should this fall on the provider of the base sim/default aircraft rather than the provider of the addon?

Because it means you are forced to install and addon airport of an airport that does no longer exist in reality and thus, the installation of this airport should be totally optional, not mandatory, and for sure not breaking things if you decide NOT to install it.

15 minutes ago, AJZip said:

A great summary - thanks! 

One thing within the above that I found 'made all the difference', was the smooth and constant application and adjustment of the spoilers all the way down the glide slope from before the Landing-button press, all the way through to just above the final few hundred feet above the ground, aided by the additional diamond profile-adherence pop up gauge in the lower display, and the very careful adjustment of speed / altitude / flap in line with the FMS minimums.  So far - from a former success rate of 1 in 10 - now: 6 ILS attempts / 6 successful arrivals  🙂 

Ok that's very interesting, thanks. So basically spoilers all the way down the glideslope - for better speed management? I didn't quite understand what you refer to with the "diamond profile-adherence pop up gauge" - but I'm not at the computer now so I'll probably check when I'm home from work. 

Your not supposed to ride the spoilers down the glideslope. With this aircraft you're supposed to be fully configured by the FAF. As stated in the inibuild tutorial videos.

1 hour ago, AnkH said:

Because it means you are forced to install and addon airport of an airport that does no longer exist in reality

You cant avoid having a Kai Tak because a simplistic Kai Tak even ships with Navigraph without possibility to unistall it at all. That this causes various issues on the addon side is no surprise but I dont see the blame on the side of the base sim or Asobo to address this. Inibuild would only have an issue, if their A310 would CTD when the community folder would be empty (= no Navigraph installed) and the user would also uninstall the new default VHHX.

I've been using this plane mostly with level change and vs modes.

Which buttons do I need to press to engage the Airbus equivalent of lnav and vnav?

4 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

I've been using this plane mostly with level change and vs modes.

Which buttons do I need to press to engage the Airbus equivalent of lnav and vnav?

Profile and Nav.

1 hour ago, MikeH99 said:

Your not supposed to ride the spoilers down the glideslope. With this aircraft you're supposed to be fully configured by the FAF. As stated in the inibuild tutorial videos.

I never saw any aircraft in real life using spoilers on the glideslope. 

Just now, Bobsk8 said:

I never saw any aircraft in real life using spoilers on the glideslope. 

Afaik this is sometimes done when approaching London City on the 5 degrees glideslope.

 

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

I never saw any aircraft in real life using spoilers on the glideslope. 

Have you heard of the Lockheed L-1011 Tristar?

Direct Lift Control (DLC), moved the spoilers up/down to track the glideslope, instead of elevators.

This meant a more constant pitch attitude could be held during final approach.
If you were high on approach and in landing config, push yoke forward which commanded spoilers to rise from its 7 degree reference up-position to max. 14 degrees.

Likewise if you were too low, pull back yoke and spoiler panels would restract and the added lift  subsequently shallowed the descent rate.

Ingenious concept, and a similar feature is also available on the Boeing 787 (called autodrag)

Edited November 21, 20223 yr by SAS443

4 hours ago, MikeH99 said:

Your not supposed to ride the spoilers down the glideslope. With this aircraft you're supposed to be fully configured by the FAF. As stated in the inibuild tutorial videos.

I have to openly and happily declare that I don't know - the nearest I've got to the cockpit workings of an actual A310 is seat 24D  🙂

 

I picked up the suggestion - which may of course be a sim workaround rather than be factually correct - from the Inibuilds/MFS Tutorial Episode 7 on Youtube, here:

Reference is made from 13:24 into the video.  I've seen similar suggestions in other demo/tutorial videos but they may be simply taking the lead from this one.  But, as I say, it may well be a workaround for something that needs tweaking in the sim.  Or - as it is only needed if the throttles are already at idle, the slats and flaps are where they should be but the aircraft is still high against the profile - it could be a simmers (my) bad piloting to have got into that position in the first place! 😉

4 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I didn't quite understand what you refer to with the "diamond profile-adherence pop up gauge" - but I'm not at the computer now so I'll probably check when I'm home from work.

It's this pop-up here that I think comes onto screen when the ILS toggle is engaged:

The explanation in the tutorials is that if the diamond is high of the centre line, then the aircraft is high against the profile and the aircraft needs more drag.  The implication, which may wrong or be a wrong understanding on my part, is that if all other options already in place, then gentle use of airbrake is how you would bring the diamond into the middle at which point the aircraft would be back on profile. 

 

 

 

Hi,

I did my 1st flight yesterday, LFBO ILS32R. All went well until GS capture. For some reason, the airplane did not intercept the glide. G/S mode was armed and LOC captured. 

Do not know what happened. The only thing I noticed is that I forgot to retract  all the spoilers but I assume it should not have any effect on GS capture ?

Any idea ? Or bug ?

Pierre

18 minutes ago, Pochi said:

did my 1st flight yesterday, LFBO ILS32R. All went well until GS capture. For some reason, the airplane did not intercept the glide. G/S mode was armed and LOC captured. 

Do not know what happened. The only thing I noticed is that I forgot to retract  all the spoilers but I assume it should not have any effect on GS capture ?

This is a bug with the aircraft as many are reporting this behavior.  It has happened to me on about half my flights in the 310....usually the flights where I am in IMC...of course!  I rolled back to the original version of the 310 opting out of the Beta since I think they broke some things (issues with sounds, etc..possibly ILS?).  On the flight I did last night into KATL 28, the ILS captured fine. Prior 2 flights into KORD and KMCO it did not capture the GS.  One thing I read on their discord is that if you roll your altitude down after you arm 'LAND' (this is not realistic), it seems to avoid the issue but I have not yet tried it.

Edited November 21, 20223 yr by Flic1

4 hours ago, mrueedi said:

Inibuild would only have an issue, if their A310 would CTD when the community folder would be empty (= no Navigraph installed) and the user would also uninstall the new default VHHX.

I know that this is the attitude of many addon devs, but that is not how reality works. And the source of many, many discussions for many, many addons where the devs stubbornly stick to this rule. Fact is, if every addon would work only with a blank native sim, addon market would disappear faster than people can blink, sales would drop like crazy. Who would buy an addon that works only with a native sim? Nobody. So YES, it is absolutely to blame those releasing a product that is not working with certain other addons, even more if they do not even care about what addon is causing conflict but simply stating that this is due to "custom ILS" and leave it to the "customer" to find out which addon is making issues here. Fun fact here: one of those addons was their very own product LEIB using "custom ILS" and needing an update...

You can do this, personally such an addon dev is off my list of devs to be considered for future purchases... 

55 minutes ago, AJZip said:

The explanation in the tutorials is that if the diamond is high of the centre line, then the aircraft is high against the profile and the aircraft needs more drag.  The implication, which may wrong or be a wrong understanding on my part, is that if all other options already in place, then gentle use of airbrake is how you would bring the diamond into the middle at which point the aircraft would be back on profile. 

Ah, I see what you mean. I find that it’s hard to get fully configured in time in this aircraft. In the video I shared, it’s obvious I wasn’t anywhere near a proper configuration as the glide slope was captured. I thought I would have a few nm at the same altitude to slow down but things didn’t go according to plan. I need more practice. Obviously, haha 😂 

Edited November 21, 20223 yr by Cpt_Piett