7 hours ago, turbomax said:

If all MSFS trailers look absolutely fluent at "only" 60 Hz at constant frame times, there is nothing left to be desired for me.

You’re not viewing a trailer when playing the game, and when playing 120hz give a more fluent feeling of flight… 

7 hours ago, micstatic said:

This isn't an FPS game

I know. After 30 years simming I figured that out… this isn’t about chasing frames, or smoothness. It’s the fluent feel of flight you get at higher hz 

and remember, those FrameGenerated are "fake" frames, they can't be trusted. 😃

47 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

I know. After 30 years simming I figured that out… this isn’t about chasing frames, or smoothness. It’s the fluent feel of flight you get at higher hz 

We started around the same time then. The other lesson I’ve learned is to not judge other hardware/setting combos that I’ve personally never used. Things are always different than we think. I’ve personally seen people with capped frame setups in the past that would fool even an enthusiast in a double blind test 

15 minutes ago, micstatic said:

I’ve personally seen people with capped frame setups in the past that would fool even an enthusiast in a double blind test 

That's right and what I learned was it's very greatly about ultra-lower frame time variance.  I do look forward to a system upgrade for myself but I'm in no hurry whatsoever as I already know I have fluid animation w/ nary a hitch anywhere...except in the yet to be optimized FBW A320NX.   If MS/A amps up what this sim can deliver (for example higher resolution cloud depiction, shader driven seasonal changes, higher resolution satellite imagery, etc) this could move my desire to update hardware sooner.  I can see sticking with this another couple of years w/o that because I already have excellent performance and know the real differences for me right now would not justfiy the cost and hassle, and retiring a totally capable system for my use.

it would seem that some are claiming that a new 4090 has double the ‘raw grunt’ of a 3090…

(probably closer to 15-25%)

& it is nonsense to claim that one must have a 4090 - at huge $cost - to have acceptable performance…

On 1/31/2023 at 8:52 AM, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I'm retired so not alot of cash on this end.

sp

Stick with the 3060 Ti if you are tight on money.  Today it's DLSS 3 with the 4000 series.  I wouldn't be surprised if it's DLSS 4 with the 5000 series, and so on.  Maybe upgrade to the 5000 or 6000 series in a few years. The 3060 Ti is a good card and should last you several years.

MSFS is optimized very well so I think the 3060 Ti will give you relatively good performance, and a very smooth experience for years to come. Of course, frame generation makes the experience even better, but I don't know if it's worth buying an entire new card, if you said you are tight on money.

8 hours ago, craigeaglefire said:

& it is nonsense to claim that one must have a 4090 - at huge $cost - to have acceptable performance…

Who said you must have it? And at what huge cost? Huge cost to you? its not huge to me, or others. Don't put everybody in the same boat. 

If you cant afford/don't want it, stick with whatever you have, and if you are happy with it, good stuff 🙂 

However if you can afford it, or simply want to use the latest and greatest with the benefits it brings, then I highly recommend it. I never said you must buy one. 

I also have around 25 years of sim and it has been the first time I haven’t complained after trying new hardware that cost a lot of money. I first upgrade cpu/MB/ram combo and kept my 3080ti and the outcome wasn’t as good as expected. But when I finally put that beast in play I finally found satisfaction with the smoothness of msfs, stopped looking for the best setting….

37 minutes ago, ttbq1 said:

I also have around 25 years of sim and it has been the first time I haven’t complained after trying new hardware that cost a lot of money. I first upgrade cpu/MB/ram combo and kept my 3080ti and the outcome wasn’t as good as expected. But when I finally put that beast in play I finally found satisfaction with the smoothness of msfs, stopped looking for the best setting….

I'm doing it the other way around... I have the 12700K with a 3080ti and trying just the 4090 upgrade before I go to the 13900K and DDR5... 

Hoping the 12700 and 4090 are "adequate"  🙂  

1 hour ago, psolk said:

Hoping the 12700 and 4090 are "adequate"

With my 5950X I have "Core boost" disabled in the BIOS, so it only runs on 3.4GHz.
And even that gives me enough power to reach 60fps (locked in NVCP) 95% of the time with 4090 and FG (4K).

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by teletom

2 hours ago, psolk said:

I'm doing it the other way around... I have the 12700K with a 3080ti and trying just the 4090 upgrade before I go to the 13900K and DDR5... 

Hoping the 12700 and 4090 are "adequate"  🙂  

The 12700K and 4080 is more than adequate in a 2d environment.  I run lots of addons too.

32 minutes ago, teletom said:

With my 5950X I have "Core boost" disabled in the BIOS, so it only runs on 3.4GHz

why not reduce the CPU clock even further.

When I was young we had to fly at 350 MHz CPU clock, and you try to tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

 

38 minutes ago, turbomax said:

why not reduce the CPU clock even further.

When I was young we had to fly at 350 MHz CPU clock, and you try to tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

 

These 4 probably locked at 30 fps too 🤣

3 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

When I was young we had to fly at 350 MHz CPU clock, and you try to tell the young people of today that, and they won't believe you!

My first computer, which ran a very early port of Flight Sim, was a Radio Shack TRS-80 Color Computer that used your TV as a display, like the original Commodore 64 did. That Radio Shack computer ran at .894 MHz. (Please note the decimal point. That's less than 1 MHz.)

I suppose that history is repeating itself. After decades of using computer monitors instead of TVs for displays, many simmers today, including me, are once again using TVs (4K this time) as their displays.

And by the way, am I the only person in this entire thread who doesn't already have a 4090? I feel impotent. 🙂

EDIT: I somehow ascribed the quote above to lanrivaldosmith when those were the comments of turbomax. I'm puzzled how that's even possible. I apologize.

Edited February 1, 20233 yr by David Mills