2 hours ago, MattNischan said:

It only seems like a glacial pace because nobody gives them credit for the massive number of deep simulation features that have been added since release, far more than any other sim in history in the same amount of time.

The truth is, Asobo gets super unfairly painted as focused on only on more of the entertainment side of simulation and less on the deep aspects, and I just can't agree. I think they've done a stellar job doing both, and we should honestly be really happy about that, because without the more casual sim crowd, I can guarantee you this whole crazy endeavor is not even vaguely financially feasible.

Do I very occasionally have to dodge a taxiway sign or a tree? I mean, sure. Is that really a "betrayal"? Goodness, I hope not.

A voice of reason--thanks Matt

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by Noel

48 minutes ago, MattNischan said:

The truth is, Asobo gets super unfairly painted as focused on only on more of the entertainment side of simulation and less on the deep aspects, and I just can't agree. I think they've done a stellar job doing both, and we should honestly be really happy about that, because without the more casual sim crowd, I can guarantee you this whole crazy endeavor is not even vaguely financially feasible.

Do I very occasionally have to dodge a taxiway sign or a tree? I mean, sure. Is that really a "betrayal"? Goodness, I hope not.

Absolutely, and thanks for that great list and putting everything in perspective. Good to hear from actual experts with reasoned thoughts around here, very refreshing.  All I can say is despite the noise of the overly excited and entitled, there is a great silent majority who're able to appreciate the vast strides MSFS has taken since release in 2020.  And I guess stepping back further and even considering all the overreactions and wild speculations, it's clear that there are thousands who're passionate about MSFS, so that is goodness overall 🙂 
 

5 minutes ago, Noel said:

A slightly prettier version of FSX?  What a pathetically ridiculous statement I hope you've removed MSFS from your hard drive you absolutely don't deserve it.

 

Noel - Rob is talking about Dovetail's flight sim world!  Not MSFS.

4 minutes ago, ryanbatc said:

Noel - Rob is talking about Dovetail's flight sim world!  Not MSFS.

Oh, oops!  I take it all back thanks!

6 hours ago, MarcG said:

One thing that constantly strikes me is the lack of bringing other teams in, like Working Title, to help Asobo with this mammoth project.

How do you know WT haven't been helping with 2024? I don't think they've said anything on the matter.

I also wouldn't be surprised that everything they improved in 2020 will also be in 2024.

13 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

Absolutely, and thanks for that great list and putting everything in perspective. Good to hear from actual experts with reasoned thoughts around here, very refreshing.  All I can say is despite the noise of the overly excited and entitled, there is a great silent majority who're able to appreciate the vast strides MSFS has taken since release in 2020.  And I guess stepping back further and even considering all the overreactions and wild speculations, it's clear that there are thousands who're passionate about MSFS, so that is goodness overall 🙂 
 

I appreciate your positivity and balanced views.  I'm actually starting to get excited about some of the potential role-playing aspects of 2024.  I'll bet there is more than a few of us who visit this site to pontificate while at cruise, as spending time at altitude in a tube liner in a flight sim is not that different from watching paint dry!  Let's face it we have to pretend there are actually consequences in this activity whereas in the RW that is not the case. To offset this reality I use A Pilot's Life which scores all my flights and adds some purpose and I love it.  I have the same psychology when I take my other Dreamliner out for a ride (2016 BMW R1200RT) I need to have some purpose beyond as I call it, "riding in circles".  Perhaps some of these roles new to me will add some variety to how I use the sim.

58 minutes ago, The Flight Level said:

Nice one! If I was a moderator, I would pin this post. Every user of MSFS should see this and understand what goes on behind the scenes before they “bark” and learn to fully appreciate the greatest franchise in Microsoft’s history! Blue skies!

It does not. The provided lits puts even bigger questionmarks behind core sim issues not solved since release because they would have taken WAAAY less effort to do so. So, I would rather call this list a nice example of prioretizing bugs with a very, very specific approach. The only issue I have is that I do sometimes not at all agree with the priorities selected 😉 

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

The truth is, Asobo gets super unfairly painted as focused on only on more of the entertainment side of simulation and less on the deep aspects, and I just can't agree. I think they've done a stellar job doing both, and we should honestly be really happy about that, because without the more casual sim crowd, I can guarantee you this whole crazy endeavor is not even vaguely financially feasible.

Adobo, now, simply need to re state that they are still committed to a universal sim to meet everyone's requirements. I have no doubt that they are but to release that trailer without an accompanying statement was crazy. It had me having kittens for a while! If I want to play a game I fire up something like TW3, not MSFS.

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by jarmstro

24 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

How do you know WT haven't been helping with 2024? I don't think they've said anything on the matter.

I also wouldn't be surprised that everything they improved in 2020 will also be in 2024.

I never said they weren't...

1 hour ago, Noel said:

A slightly prettier version of FSX?  What a pathetically ridiculous statement I hope you've removed MSFS from your hard drive you absolutely don't deserve it.

 

Hi Noel,

I think you have misread what I wrote. I wasn't referring to Asobo's MSFS 2020. I was referring to DOVETAIL GAMES when I said Dovetail wrongly assumed simmers wanted a prettier version of FSX. I have never, ever said that Asobo were doing such a thing with MSFS 2020. Your knee jerk reaction indicates that you utterly misunderstood my post. I said that DOVETAIL abandoned Flight Sim World because they assumed customers would be satisfied by a slightly updated version of FSX and early sales indicated that their decision was wrong. I NEVER said that MS or Asobo did the same thing with MSFS 2020 which is a fine sim apart from the continuing unfixed basic flaws. Please read my post again and I would be obliged if you could please withdraw your comments. Thank you.

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by robert young

4 minutes ago, robert young said:

Hi Noel,

I think you have misread what I wrote. 

Yep, Ryan set me straight already on that:  https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/634899-msfs-2024-…-betrayal/?do=findComment&comment=4973401

Cheers

1 hour ago, MattNischan said:

he truth is, Asobo gets super unfairly painted as focused on only on more of the entertainment side of simulation and less on the deep aspects, and I just can't agree

If anybody could be painted in any manner,  it shouldn't be Asobo anyway but Microsoft which calls the shots. 

Then, once again  this franchise has always had an entertainment dimension. No shame here. It belongs to the FS franchise culture. 

Last, some of us have, over the months, been wondering whether the adaptation of the sim to the low-end Xbox was not a limitation factor. Again it would be wrong to accuse Asobo of anything here.

 

1 hour ago, ryanbatc said:

Noel - Rob is talking about Dovetail's flight sim world!  Not MSFS.

Thank you Ryan, for taking the trouble to read what I actually said!

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Oh, oops!  I take it all back thanks!

I take it that is a sort of apology?

Edited June 14, 20232 yr by robert young

13 minutes ago, robert young said:

I take it that is a sort of apology?

I removed the comment Bob, and prior to that I responded to Ryan's post.

Cheers