On 7/7/2023 at 8:54 AM, cepact said:

Very disappointed by PMDG to not be able to deliver 777.

All things considered, their track record in MSFS is enviable. Nothing at all to justify disappointment in their performance.

Not sure i would worry BOUT THIS.

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I think the storm will head off into FS24, leaving FS20 users in a place of perfect calm.

14 hours ago, Franz007 said:

In my opinion this is quite naive. Almost no one asked them to improve the scenery that much, an area where they already excelled and provided us with tons of world-updates, during other things were missing or bugged. At the same time, they made some promises at the start that they could not fulfill. And now they will push the graphical side even further, making the same promises about weather and flightmodel again that they already made 3-4 years ago. I remember that i was blown away by the announcements about the dynamical weather. The results: they weren't even able to add turbulences in clouds and their atmosphere-model seems broken. This after 3 years. And now they are not only pushing the limits of graphics further (= not needed) but adding some stuff that i'm having the impression most of users already try to convince themselves that it will be great (fire fighting, elephants... etc.). And they sell us the whole again, with some in my opinion ridiculous "excuses" (rise of AI...., give me a break Asobo -> They already made use of it in a revolutionary way like no other sim). My guess is that they realized their development-costs where higher than expected. There is nothing wrong with them needing enough revenues but i just don't buy it the way they are selling it to us. My guess is that they will be able to gain even more "gamers" as users but the "hardcore-flightsim-folks" will be once again let behind because they will once again not focus on that group. I may be wrong, no idea. But it's a bit my impression based on my experiences with them.

You don't buy it based on what? Technical knowledge of this kind of software? Conflicting statements you can point to? General cynicism?  Some features or ideas dig so deeply into the codebase that they fundamentally transform the whole.  Some features are large and transformative enough to the original product that the work involved justifies a new version.  They appear to be making some pretty fundamental improvements to the bedrock of their codebase and their digital representation of the world, based on their FS Expo talk.

Putting out a new version of the sim after four years is perfectly reasonable, even before you take into account the amount of 'free' additions to the sim they've shoveled at you during that time.  And much like any other sim, you can choose to jump to the latest release or you can hang back.  If you seriously think all it's adding is firefighting and elephants, then it seems like an easy choice for you.  I will happily shell out $70 for this, provided it delivers on the improvements they've talked about.

17 hours ago, mspencer said:

We got a brand new, beautiful sim with a really responsive development team, Microsoft funding and resources, and a commitment not to abandon the franchise like MS did 15 years ago.

Isn't that enough? 

Not on avsim.....

Bring on the storm because my new rig (on order) is ready to rock!  7800X3D + 4090!

17 minutes ago, sidfadc said:

Bring on the storm because my new rig (on order) is ready to rock!  7800X3D + 4090!

Enjoy MSFS with your 4090! Among all the civilian flight simulators, MSFS is the best at taking advantage of the NVidia 4000 series cards, specifically frame generation. You should get pretty good FPS, especially with frame generation!

9 hours ago, Scottoest said:

s firefighting and elephants,

Maybe it should be named:

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024: Firefighting and Elephants

People are upset that MS is going to be pulling away even further, just when their favorite sim seemed to be starting to play a little game of catch-up. 2024 is shaping up to take away all advantages their current favorite sims have so all they can do in the meantime is hope and pray that promises won't be kept while trying to sow unfounded seeds of doubt.

3 hours ago, Krakin said:

People are upset that MS is going to be pulling away even further, just when their favorite sim seemed to be starting to play a little game of catch-up. 2024 is shaping up to take away all advantages their current favorite sims have so all they can do in the meantime is hope and pray that promises won't be kept while trying to sow unfounded seeds of doubt.

That’s a very simple and erronous generalisation. I can only speak for myself. I stopped using another sim and wanted to use MSFS only as soon as it started to be usable for me, starting in 2022. I invested about 900-1000$ in addons. But i started to be disappointed to see how it was lacking.

The fact they had announced the dynamics, weather etc. to be already fantastic in MSFS2020 makes me skeptical about their announcements for MSFS2024, because this was already supposed to be in MSFS2020. That’s why. You guys of course react offended but at the end people like me will simply use the sim that suits our needs and expectations the best. I have MSFS installed as well and it’s funny to see some folks thinking we must be somehow jealous of MSFS when we actually invested a lot in it and used it a lot during months but were disappointed.

Edited July 9, 20232 yr by Franz007

6 hours ago, sidfadc said:

Bring on the storm because my new rig (on order) is ready to rock!  7800X3D + 4090!

I am skipping this gen. My 3080 and 5900x is sufficient for now. Will do a true upgrade next year with rtx 5xxx and Ryzen 8xxx series. That's right about when MSFS 2024 launches. 

54 minutes ago, Baber20 said:

I am skipping this gen. My 3080 and 5900x is sufficient for now. Will do a true upgrade next year with rtx 5xxx and Ryzen 8xxx series. That's right about when MSFS 2024 launches. 

I've skipped that many generations I've lost count, upgrading from a 2015 build with an i7 4790k + 1070 🙂

1 hour ago, sidfadc said:

I've skipped that many generations I've lost count, upgrading from a 2015 build with an i7 4790k + 1070 🙂

Oh word not allowed. You will be blown away for sure haha. Your upcoming build is at least 10x more powerful than what you have. Enjoy !!

The remarkable thing is @sidfadc is still able to run MSFS on his present system. I had an only slightly better system (i7 6700 + 1080Ti) running MSFS quite well until turn of the year.

The crux was my switch to VR from which point it showed its age.

Kind regards, Michael

Franz makes a very good point. 2020 was supposed to have breath-taking weather and physics from release. It doesn't even have cirrus clouds or realistic ground friction.

A lot of people were hoping Microsoft would do with MSFS the same thing Microsoft does with Minecraft: One product, constant updates. Remember: That game was released in 2011. Microsoft's most recent patch was last month. That sort of one-game-constant-updates strategy is not foreign in either the industry or with Microsoft, and it's not far-fetched to believe 2020 was going to get that same treatment.

Though being realistic, a $60 update that does address all the cumulative issues with 2020 isn't the worst thing either. You can honestly turn 2024 into a glass half-full / half-empty debate.