3 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Just flight is a publisher and not a complete developer (kind of like Aerosoft). Most of their aircraft is sold under their name are not made by them Not like PMDG of Fenix.

 

So you are saying that the trio of PA-28s, the BAe Hawk T1, the F28, the BAe 146, and Avro Vulcan are not from JFs in-house development team ? The Tornado GR1 - who's developing that, I wonder. And the Fokker F70/100 ? The PA-38 Tomahawk ?

The people I met at Cosford must have been figments of my imagination.

https://www.justflight.com/category/developed-in-house
 

 

1 hour ago, Lucky38i said:

 

It really does not, and the introduction of MSFS has made that even more apparent. It just indicates interest in being in a controlled network

Agreed.  Come to Gatwick on a weekend. It's horrendous now

Any possibility that we could stay on topic, please?

2 hours ago, threexgreen said:

That's the plan for FSWeekend.

Normally you only get one shot to make a good first impression that clearly failed.

13 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Normally you only get one shot to make a good first impression that clearly failed.

Did it though? Or is it just the usual group that it failed for while everyone else is happily anticipating the aircraft and the new features?

Other places seem to be a lot more positive about this. But we are on Avsim, I guess it could only fail here. I'm personally still not sure what everyone is even complaining about/what was even bad about it.

2 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

I'm personally still not sure what everyone is even complaining about/what was even bad about it.

Hehe....you should state that you said that rhetorically or you're going to get an earful from disillusioned Avsim'ers that are convinced RSR is the devil himself and PMDG is an evil company heck-bent on sucking as much money from unsuspecting simmers that are forced to buy their products. 🤔

One thing that I’m really excited for with the 777 release is having a high quality long hauler airliner with a really good time acceleration system.  This is one thing PMDG definitely does better than any others…its automated system means you can cram in a pretty long flight in a short period of time without too much worry that the aircraft will fall out of the sky because it took a tight turn at a high time acceleration rate.

4 minutes ago, regis9 said:

One thing that I’m really excited for with the 777 release is having a high quality long hauler airliner with a really good time acceleration system.  This is one thing PMDG definitely does better than any others…its automated system means you can cram in a pretty long flight in a short period of time without too much worry that the aircraft will fall out of the sky because it took a tight turn at a high time acceleration rate.

Absolutely one of the best features on the aircraft, esp for beta testers that have to test long flights and don't have anywhere near the actual time to do them in real time.

I'd only have about 20% of the beta test flights I've done so far if it didn't have this feature.  And you'd have 2 scenarios if the 777 didn't have it.  

1. A beta cycle that was 10 times longer than usual because we'd have to test 15 hour flights in 15 hours (and we typically do dozens of the same flight to validate things, we don't do just one flight and say..."Yep, it works").  And we do test long haul flights in real time...just not as many of them that we'd like because if we did, the 777 would be a 2026 release at the minimum. 
2. A beta cycle at a normal duration, but we'd probably miss 70% more stuff and you'd get to find it (and report it) in the released product.  How fun is that?

So its a great tool for testing, and for the folks who what to do a complete flight in a certain time span and are ok with technology helping with the biggest challenges of flying long haul... real time. 😉

45 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

Did it though? Or is it just the usual group that it failed for while everyone else is happily anticipating the aircraft and the new features?

Other places seem to be a lot more positive about this. But we are on Avsim, I guess it could only fail here. I'm personally still not sure what everyone is even complaining about/what was even bad about it.

Of course it did. Most want a decent long hauler. You obviously have not seen discords, Reddit even other articles a lot saying the same. 

Edited March 16, 20242 yr by carlanthony24

14 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

But why though its 2024 not the 1950's

people in this community love nostalgia.  what ever floats their boat I guess.

18 minutes ago, Steve Dra said:

Absolutely one of the best features on the aircraft, esp for beta testers that have to test long flights and don't have anywhere near the actual time to do them in real time.

I'd only have about 20% of the beta test flights I've done so far if it didn't have this feature.  And you'd have 2 scenarios if the 777 didn't have it.  

1. A beta cycle that was 10 times longer than usual because we'd have to test 15 hour flights in 15 hours (and we typically do dozens of the same flight to validate things, we don't do just one flight and say..."Yep, it works").  And we do test long haul flights in real time...just not as many of them that we'd like because if we did, the 777 would be a 2026 release at the minimum. 
2. A beta cycle at a normal duration, but we'd probably miss 70% more stuff and you'd get to find it (and report it) in the released product.  How fun is that?

So its a great tool for testing, and for the folks who what to do a complete flight in a certain time span and are ok with technology helping with the biggest challenges of flying long haul... real time. 😉

It must be seriously hard work beta testing "study level" airliners. I remember when I purchased the 747v3 package for P3D, and noting that there were something like thirteen different type/engine options available. How on Earth do you beta test that lot, and yet still have time to eat, sleep and work? Beta testing airports is easy compared to that.

the 777 is flyable for those at FSWeekend.

45 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Beta testing airports is easy compared to that.

yet still, pretty much none of the devs dont do that properly.

Edited March 16, 20242 yr by fluffyflops

59 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Most want a decent long hauler.

In the context of the 777, what on earth does this mean?

53 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Of course it did. Most want a decent long hauler. You obviously have not seen discords, Reddit even other articles a lot saying the same. 

And most are getting a more than decent long hauler with a bunch of new stuff everyone wanted PMDG to finally implement. Which still begs the question of what the exact criticism even is, or why there is criticism in the first place.

FWIW, I just had a scroll through the Reddit posts regarding the preview which I did not see before. I did not find a single comment that pointed out something that's objectively bad in the preview or Q&A. It's just the usual, generic posts you've seen for years, and some complaints about other things like the video editing.

With the exception of work in progress panel textures, it seems no one really knows what the criticism even is. If you then consider that there's virtually no response to RF legs/navata, CPDLC, GSX integration, etc. finally being added after years of passionate demand for these, it appears many aren't even all that interested, and just seem to have made a habit out of complaining about some flight sim addon developer.

I'm saying this because considering the list of good news that came out of this the repsonse doesn't seem to fit at all, and I was unsure at some point if I missed something. Personally, I'm looking forward to a 777 with a lot of new stuff I didn't expected would come, and a MAX in the next few months too. No idea what I'm supposed to be unhappy about right now.