9 hours ago, rick celik said:

I think some people are underestimating the market in MSFS now, it’s not so “niche”. Not your GTA or Battlefield numbers but compared to our days pre MSFS, it’s healthy I would say. There’s a reason people are jumping into development now. Thats my take anyway.

Agree very much. It strikes me as a whole different ball game now. Lots more potential buyers across two platforms and I can't help thinking the majority of them will have no idea about lots of the minutae discussed here.

That's not a bad thing either. I would imagine PMDG's sales have been very healthy and offering the 737-600 at an ultra low price has introduced a wholeness tranche of buyers who will be eyeing up the 777.

4 hours ago, threexgreen said:

You're free to buy whatever you want of course. The strange part is dismissing the business' POV and assuming buying a product from a business means they owe you and are supposed to do whatever you want them to. You get a product and they get your money. That's a fair exchange and that's where it ends. They need to produce something that customers like, but that doesn't mean they can or have to follow everything the customer demands.

They don't have unlimited resources, and if they decide not to do something because it's not fiancially viable it doesn't mean that's an excuse. It's a simple economic decision. You wouldn't invest into something if you knew you would make losses. So why would you fault a business for doing the same?

Well, we can agree to disagree on this one. There nothing strange about customer having choices and not concerning themselves with the business aspect of one choosing what aircraft they want to buy and expect them to limit their desire to one companies balance sheet. If they don't to deliver what the customer wants then they will go elsewhere, plain and simple.  On another thread one person brought up the idea of wanting a A340. People question him on why and felt that aircraft is in its twilight years of service who didn't believe it will sale well, while on the other side A340 seems to be doing well and is popular among so of the streamers on Youtube.  You don't have to look far but in this very thread about the idea of a 707 or 727 older aircraft whom some feel they are just too old.

Yet inibuild manage to build their A300 which was in their twilight years of service and bring them to both markets and they don't have unlimited resources. People ask them to bring it over and they somehow they did it without treating their customer as shareholders or accountants with all the studies and financial analysis reason. 

 

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12 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

YouTube counts a maximum of 5 repeat views of the same person within 24 hours (minimum view time 30 secs), so you could make out a best and worst case scenario where you have no repeat views and the maximum number of repeat views. I'm not sure estimating how many views are repeat views is of much value though. Only the uploader can see an actual statistic of how many distinct viewers the video has had.

Thanks. So I guess we don't really know whether "many" of the PMDG views were repeats. It could be none. It could be that a handful of people are hitting play, waiting 30 seconds, and then doing it again. Neither extreme seems likely.

8 minutes ago, jrw4 said:

Thanks. So I guess we don't really know whether "many" of the PMDG views were repeats. It could be none. It could be that a handful of people are hitting play, waiting 30 seconds, and then doing it again. Neither extreme seems likely.

I can tell you at least 10 of the FBW A380 were mine, so people who are interested in these things tend to watch it over and over looking for little things they missed, or in my case with the A380, just blown away. 

23 minutes ago, BobFS88 said:

There nothing strange about customer having choices and not concerning themselves with the business aspect of one choosing what aircraft they want to buy and expect them to limit their desire to one companies balance sheet.

I never said having choices is bad or that you should stick to one company. Not sure where you're getting this from.

My point is you can't dismiss the business' POV and say they are making excuses when they choose not to do something users want due to business reasons, because running a business economically and not wanting to spend resources on things that won't return enough revenue is a valid argument. They're not running a charity, and have to finance the development of products. That's all I'm saying.

What I find strange is the notion a business should be readily willing to incur losses and act against their own interests to cater to all the wishes of customers because those customers bought something at some point. If they don't want to go there because it doesn't make sense for them that may be disapponting, but I don't think you can fault them for it.

19 hours ago, Steve Dra said:

Cancer tried to get me once, and diabetes is always trying to kill me, and eventually will if I don't die of something else first.  Certainly more years behind me than ahead, I just want to enjoy them doing what I love, contributing to the community... so I'll probably die with a virtual paintbrush in my hand, right in the middle of a livery. 🤔

You keep going. Your liveries are first class. 👍

11 minutes ago, Paul K said:

You keep going. Your liveries are first class. 👍

Thanks....sometimes I even UN-paint an aircraft...which is actually trickier than painting them. 😉 

Man I need to get back to flying this one. Such a great aircraft!

Come on, we all know that the PMDG 777 will be a huge success and almost all of use here will buy it sooner than later. Even the people who constantly criticts PMDG all day long.

I won't buy it on day 1 anyway as the servers will probably crash.

I have no doubt that the aircraft is going to be awesome. Who could immagine a second that the graphism and animations would be worse than the PMDG 737?

We all want an aircraft to be even better, and we tend to never be satisfied but years of un are ahead of us, so let just enjoy our hobby!

 

18 minutes ago, sdirand said:

Come on, we all know that the PMDG 777 will be a huge success and almost all of use here will buy it sooner than later. Even the people who constantly criticts PMDG all day long.

I won't buy it on day 1 anyway as the servers will probably crash.

I have no doubt that the aircraft is going to be awesome. Who could immagine a second that the graphism and animations would be worse than the PMDG 737?

We all want an aircraft to be even better, and we tend to never be satisfied but years of un are ahead of us, so let just enjoy our hobby!

It's not day 1 for me, since if they are splitting the models as suggested I will wait for the freighter. Was hoping it would have been done as before (similar to the 737 & 738 in MSFS as well) where you got the 200LR & F as a single purchase.

As it is coming soon I actually did a P3D flight last night in the 777F, had forgotten how good it actually is. Followed up with a flight in the 737BDSF back in MSFS, looking forward to be able to fly the 777 in MSFS after that.

 

G

 

22 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

It's not day 1 for me, since if they are splitting the models as suggested I will wait for the freighter. Was hoping it would have been done as before (similar to the 737 & 738 in MSFS as well) where you got the 200LR & F as a single purchase.

I also prefer th freighter version but I would have bought the 77W anyway so it is fine to me.

We'll wait for the initial price but if the F version is less expensive than the LR/F P3D package, it's fine to me because I don't have much use for the LR version anyway.

the LR might be the entry point version as was the 737-600. We'll see.

1 hour ago, sdirand said:

Come on, we all know that the PMDG 777 will be a huge success and almost all of use here will buy it sooner than later. Even the people who constantly criticts PMDG all day long.

Yes, so true. I am not so excited about the 777 mainly because I have become a GA enthusiast in MSFS, quite different to my P3D days. I am much more excited about the forthcoming Duke, and the depth that has been given this aircraft. The triple 7 also strikes me as pretty much the same aircraft as it was in P3D with few additional features and given that I will only do a few long-haul flights in a year that purchase can hold a while.  But I will say that of all the airliners PMDG has been the most reliable and frame-rate friendly for me. 

2 hours ago, Cognita said:

The triple 7 also strikes me as pretty much the same aircraft as it was in P3D with few additional features

Genuine question because I'm curious. Why do you (and some others) still think it's the same aircraft as in P3D? The model is much improved or even new, and this time it does come with a bunch of new features PMDG didn't have in any aircraft before that people wanted them to add. Other than that, it's the same aircraft type so in other areas it's obviously identical.

I do wonder what they have to do in order to make people actually say "that's new" and not "it's the same aircraft from [previous sim]".

I love PMDG aircraft, been buying them since my P3D days. I am not planning to buy the 777, because I no longer have any interest in long haul flights. Any flight over an hour and a half, I start feeling like I am watching paint dry. The 737, and the Fenix, work with A pilots LIfe, and I always select short haul flights on their scheduler. Works out great. 

10 minutes ago, threexgreen said:

I do wonder what they have to do in order to make people actually say "that's new" and not "it's the same aircraft from [previous sim]".

Better graphics.

Why? Because it's the easiest method of evaluating.

When there's only a visual preview and some text to describe what this 777 will bring, it's no surprise it's being compared unfavourably (and possibly a little unfairly) to what they delivered previously and to what some other devs have achieved visually in MSFS.

7 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

I love PMDG aircraft, been buying them since my P3D days. I am not planning to buy the 777, because I no longer have any interest in long haul flights. Any flight over an hour and a half, I start feeling like I am watching paint dry. The 737, and the Fenix, work with A pilots LIfe, and I always select short haul flights on their scheduler. Works out great. 

I think the same and then again i just have to find routes like the 36minutes BOX114 EDDF-EBBR or simular with the 777-F 😀 right now on F24

Michael Moe