5 hours ago, turbomax said:

light years. yes, but ahead?

S11 Sekiu. in case you were wondering: those are clouds, not mountains. 😀

 

anti-aliasing still not correct

It’s like in life (and like in absolutely every sim): some will only see and focus on the negative things like small unperfections and blow them out of proportion. Other will notice the positive things. So at the end it is your own choice of perceiving your reality. I can show you tons of such small unperfections in sims that are around since years. Sure, you will get frustrated if your flying experience stopps at such ridiculous things (that btw. are better than in the previous version). Good luck.

8 hours ago, filou said:

Their light engine is the best in terms of visuals! They have nothing else

Hm…weird statement. No, for me and many others the flying itself and the interaction with weather is the most important thing. I don’t know of any other sim doing that better tbh. Or perhaps only DCS but it has its own limitations and is for military-aircrafts only.

32 minutes ago, Franz007 said:

Hm…weird statement. No, for me and many others the flying itself and the interaction with weather is the most important thing. I don’t know of any other sim doing that better tbh. Or perhaps only DCS but it has its own limitations and is for military-aircrafts only.

Indeed, if there's an aspect, well actually given the many aspects involved - different aspects - in which X-Plane shines over the competition (excluding Aerofly FS 4 which I never tested...) it is surely the flight dynamics modelling and some aspects of systems modelling, not to mention cross-platform offer.

Indeed I find it's lighting, even in this new beta, and the colours of sky and even some aspects of clouds rendering far better than the competition.

Even the overall representation of default airports, the sense of dimension and perspective I get from the cockpit surely make me prefer XP12 over anything else (even DCS ! although again I can't comment on AEFS4 because I don't have it).

If you talk about functionality then I have to agree. ATC is also just as bad as default ATC in competition, I'd say even worse, and AI traffic also leaves a lot to be desired ... a LOT !

I would love to have FSHUD + FSLTL in XP12, that would make me stop looking back, because I know each time I cross the pond to visit the competition and enjoy it's surely nice aspects I feel disappointed with what I still think is the main aim of a --> FLIGHT <-- simulator... 

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by jcomm

46 minutes ago, Sethos said:

I really like X-Plane, prefer it in many ways over the competition but please stop the embarrassing circlejerk and attaching hyperbolic statements to it, it's like stuff a kid who doesn't understand nuance would say and it just makes the community seem a bit daft. It even derails the conversation within the community because it's so silly.

I'm relatively new a these forums & honestly from what I see it's the other way around almost always.

Someone makes a positive statement about a simulator he uses, childish or not, but the tiresome parade of people that get their nerves ticked by it need to adjust their self-awareness, using always the same condescending sarcasm. (Not talking about you personally)

So he said he thinks it's "light years ahead". Who cares...? If You think it's a provocative statement, or maybe it is intended as such, move on otherwise you are definitely not better.

For example, I also own MSFS and I can EASILY mark every visual defect in it in red lines just like some (always the same) users do as a reaction to what they think is an over-hyped comment (and there are MANY of those from what I've seen in other platforms)

And no it's not just the the innocence of "pointing out problems" if it's repetitive with no XPD numbers (suggesting those bugs are not even reported by those so-called helpful vocal users).

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by Inu

 Further up I should have said "Laminar has revolutionized FLIGHT simulation once again.".

Remark about the "lightyears" and also "revolution" statements: they weren't invented by "us", the XP-users, but by "others". As they were marked with an emoji with the tongue, the intention should have been clear.  But well ... 🤷‍♂️

I have two major gripes with 12.10:

- AA ist still horribly bad even at "8x", of course as it isn't temporal. How long do we have to wait?

- CPU is hammered by Autogen, anything but top tier CPU's will give bad results.

13 minutes ago, Colonel X said:

I have two major gripes with 12.10:

- AA ist still horribly bad even at "8x", of course as it isn't temporal. How long do we have to wait?

- CPU is hammered by Autogen, anything but top tier CPU's will give bad results.

If your GPU allows it, i suggest you to blow your screen up by a factor (inside the Nvidia settings). For me the AA is massively improved and I don’t see any disturbing edges anymore.

For the second point, I agree that there is still some potential left. But LR explained that quite clearly. They are preparing the the sim to allow way more performance-improvements (and multicore) in future. So many improvements will come. They said that we shouldn’t expect a big improvement with 12.1.0.

3 hours ago, Rimshot said:

With all due respect, but that whole 'lightyears ahead' stuff is nothing else than subjective hyperbole 😉

Please note, I did add a wink/smile emoji when I posted it.  The whole reason I posted it is because there was a time I saw it in another, unspecified forum, from some regulars.  So it's just my way of reciprocating in a friendly banter kinda way.  I'm not a either/or kind of person.  I own both sims.  I also own DCS and P3D.  Those who know me, know I'm a little "cheeky" with the banter comments.  If anyone is offended, or think it's "childish", so be it.  I don't like to take things too seriously.  Besides, what I posted is extremely tame compared to "other" posts.  

Anyway, it's a beta.  Of course there will be issues.  Please just appreciate the work that was done by reading the changelog.  200 testers were taking time out of their day to make sure as many issues as possible were resolved.  We were going months with people demanding 12.1 be released.  Hurry up and release it.  What's taking so long?  Knowing Laminar, it'll be out in 2034 (or some random year).  Now it's out as a beta, and as always LR have said, DO NOT download the beta if you want a stable, issue free version of X-Plane.  If you want to check it out, have a stable and a beta installed on your PC.  Don't like the beta?  Just go back to the stable.  

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by GoranM

3 hours ago, Rimshot said:

With all due respect, but that whole 'lightyears ahead' stuff is nothing else than subjective hyperbole 😉

On all 3 platforms you get the rose tinted gatepost keepers like goran

Goran is good guy who I know cares for X-Plane, I probably misinterpreted his comment as being more serious than he intended. Let's just end that discussion and get back to the heart of the thread; talking about the beta, before another thread devolves into further mudslinging and mod action 😅

3 hours ago, Franz007 said:

It’s like in life (and like in absolutely every sim): some will only see and focus on the negative things like small unperfections and blow them out of proportion. Other will notice the positive things. So at the end it is your own choice of perceiving your reality. 

I totally agree. 👍

3 hours ago, Franz007 said:

I can show you tons of such small unperfections in sims that are around since years.

Ok but here we are not talking about "other simulators", we are talking about Xplane, so the comparisons are made between Xplane itself to try to understand how much Xplane is moving forward or backwards.
The defects of other sims don't interest me personally: I currently only use Xplane, I don't have the physical possibility of using other sims, so all my attention is focused on Xplane.
When you write "I can show you imperfections in sims that have existed for years" you wrote an overall sensible sentence.
But not towards other sims, mind you, but towards xplane itself!
This sim has serious defects that have been known for YEARS (I'll name just three: doting ATC, dark panels, poor anti-aliasing).
And they are not "small defects".
These are serious defects, unresolved for years (the dark panels have been buggy for 7 years!)
So let's try to be serious for once.
The release of this v12.1 should have been something fabulous, but unfortunately on the practical side it doesn't seem to have achieved the goal.
The lighting has gotten worse, everyone says so, and it is widely confirmed.
The anti-aliasing has not been corrected, there are still glitters and imperfections.
On the ORG forum users also talk about poor performance, 12.1 seems to have reduced the framerate by half.
The "minecraft" clouds are no longer there... excellent... at least there is some good news.
But do you understand that this is not good?
We're not there guys, we're not there at all.
Months of waiting for what?
To have an XP12 in your hands that is overall worse than its previous version?
Is this the step forward?
How many more "light years" do we have to wait before we have a simulator finally fixed by its annual historical bugs? 

4 hours ago, Franz007 said:

Sure, you will get frustrated if your flying experience stopps at such ridiculous things (that btw. are better than in the previous version).

No, I'm sorry, but I don't agree.
The Turbomax user (to whom you wrote those replies) expressed valid reasons because, as I said before, users are starting to get tired of all this fake advertising about Xplane which is portrayed as the best of the best, but then subsequently on the practical side it does not show us significant progress in this regard.
From what I have been able to learn by reading numerous comments and looking at photographs, Xp12.1 is not better than previous versions.... or rather.... it has improved on some things at the expense of other things.... so it has taken a step forward and one back.
But you can't tell me the fairy tale that this sim is enormously improved compared to before because it's not true.
It would have been true if XP12.1 had presented truly fixed anti-aliasing, truly higher lighting than before, and perhaps doubled performance compared to before (instead users talk about halved performance).
Dear friend, fixed clouds are not enough to make you "light years ahead".

Having said this, I apologize if I answered instead of Turbomax, but I absolutely had to say these things because I too am starting to get tired of seeing the usual excuses written on a public forum that continually try to justify this sim in the face of its obvious defects.
I personally will no longer waste time with ramshackle beta versions, I will observe them from afar and let you "fans" go ahead and test them.
Even though I am a bit afraid of the "fans", because as I have already seen in the past the fans are not very inclined to tell the truth and report bugs.
It's a fact.
Just think about the history of dark panels (a bug that has been recognized for years) and how fans tried everything to NOT admit that xplane was buggy.
Just think about the history of broken anti-aliasing (a bug that has been hyper-recognized for years) and how fans tried everything to NOT admit that xplane was buggy.
And other similar episodes.
Remember these words well dear friend: if XP12 will improve (and I'm sure it will improve, I have faith in the Laminar team) it will certainly not be thanks to certain "fans".
It will be thanks to people like me (what you call trolls) who don't have slices of profit over their eyes and thoroughly investigate the defects of the sims and never hide them under the carpet.
We are the critics who save XPlane and give it the right push to improve!

All said with respect of course. 🙂

@efis007 you’re complaining in the wrong place. If there are issues with X-Plane, and you have expertise to share, throw them an email. 

So I remember trying to build a tile in Ortho4XP 1.40 with the XP12 water tech option, which caused some weird visual artifacts along shores in 12.09. Believe it was mentioned something was to change in 12.1 -- Anyone know if you can build the tiles now with that option, if that requires an Ortho4XP update or what's the deal?

1 minute ago, Sethos said:

So I remember trying to build a tile in Ortho4XP 1.40 with the XP12 water tech option, which caused some weird visual artifacts along shores in 12.09. Believe it was mentioned something was to change in 12.1 -- Anyone know if you can build the tiles now with that option, if that requires an Ortho4XP update or what's the deal?

@tonywob

He's the expert in that field.

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by GoranM

6 hours ago, jcomm said:

I would love to have FSHUD + FSLTL in XP12, that would make me stop looking back, because I know each time I cross the pond to visit the competition and enjoy it's surely nice aspects I feel disappointed with what I still think is the main aim of a --> FLIGHT <-- simulator... 

The problem with developers for FSHUD + FSLTL seem like they are too entrenched in the MS/PD3 eco system to really make an effort to try to bring an utility over to Xplane that you would think, should be agnostic to any sim. But what you get is push back for any reason, not enough user or demand, not enough time, interfaces are not easily plugin or the usual "no business case"; that always fall short of what others like Just flight Traffic Global, Pilot2ATC are able to achieve.

Maybe the user community should ask them to bring those addon over in a mases way to given them some indication they is an interest in such a utility for Xpane instead on just rely on them to make the first move which they won't.

Edited May 16, 20242 yr by BobFS88