https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/hire-hifi-sim-damian-to-fix-the-weather-in-the-sim-for-good/639851?u=riverrover

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by Bobsk8

No.

Yes.

Free rein for a developer who has specialised in weather development for different flight sim platforms and using various different tech to do so? That would be a positive move, IMHO.

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by F737MAX

Really sad that we had a great Memorial day weeked here in the US and now someone wants to start another war.

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The opportunity to do anything meaningful in 2020 seems to have passed. If it looks like 2024’s live weather will be roughly the same, I’ll vote.

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/hire-hifi-sim-damian-to-fix-the-weather-in-the-sim-for-good/639851?u=riverrover

Apparently this topic is already in their wishlist panel, it’s the #5. It’s marked as “under consideration”. But I really doubt they would make such an effort to change anything for 2020, but maybe for 2024.

Anyway, they need to assess if Damien has the skills to do what is needed. I like the live weather and don’t like active sky that much. What I dislike the most in the live weather is the lack of more cloud types. If Damien is able to accurately depict more cloud types according to the live weather data, it would be a good thing.

8 minutes ago, ca_metal said:

If Damien is able to accurately depict more cloud types according to the live weather data, it would be a good thing.

INTRODUCING AS16+ASCA (youtube.com)

This is for P3D and I'm guessing no way that can happen for MSFS 2020 at this point.  Very very cool, and what we would love to see in MSFS.  I wonder if it's voxel based or 2D sprite based and I'm guessing it's the latter unfortunately.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 20242 yr by Noel

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

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Just voted.  Thank you.  I attempted to propose this in late September 2020, and twice since then, and was summarily dismissed each time.  Have been angered each time "not plannned" has appeared in the Asobo/MS Developmental Updates.

1 minute ago, Noel said:

INTRODUCING AS16+ASCA (youtube.com)

This is for P3D and I'm guessing no way that can happen for MSFS 2020 at this point.  Very very cool, and what we would love to see in MSFS.

 

 

 

 

 

I’ve used active sky in fsx and P3D. It has more cloud types, but I don’t like it at all. It’s 2d billboard clouds. If he’s able to use the engine MSFS has and make it depict accurately more cloud types based on meteoblue’s live data, I’m in.
 

With volumetric clouds you can’t just add more textures to the weather engine, it needs to generate the clouds based on the data. That said, I’m not a big fan of the Active FS. Doesn’t look accurate based on my experience, I think the default weather does a better job. If he is able do improve it by having access to the raw data, so hire him to train the weather depict more cloud types. But again, that’s something Asobo/MS needs to assess.

1 minute ago, ca_metal said:

I’ve used active sky in fsx and P3D. It has more cloud types, but I don’t like it at all. It’s 2d billboard clouds. If he’s able to use the engine MSFS has and make it depict accurately more cloud types based on meteoblue’s live data, I’m in.
 

With volumetric clouds you can’t just add more textures to the weather engine, it needs to generate the clouds based on the data. That said, I’m not a big fan of the Active FS. Doesn’t look accurate based on my experience, I think the default weather does a better job. If he is able do improve it by having access to the raw data, so hire him to train the weather depict more cloud types. But again, that’s something Asobo/MS needs to assess.

Do you think AS16 is 2D sprite based then?  You have to admit that video has some awesome depiction happening, at least that was my sense.  I used AS in FSX and P3D as well.

I've always questioned whether or not HiFi could do much with cloud depiction like they have in that video and I believe that is a function of volumetric voxel-based rendering, and so have always felt real change in depiction has to come out of Asobo who has more control over the rendering engine.  I had hoped with teh promised enhanced multithreading that might open the door to allow for but I really don't know how much of a role the CPU plays in volumetric rendering.

Experience shows that successful folks rarely accept positions where they are underlings.

Chances are he is waiting to see what the 2024 API offers and may be able to (or is) assisting in creating it.

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Edited May 28, 20242 yr by Sky_Pilot071

Nope I'll pass.

I'm in. 😉

1 hour ago, Noel said:

Do you think AS16 is 2D sprite based then?  You have to admit that video has some awesome depiction happening, at least that was my sense.  I used AS in FSX and P3D as well.

Yes. 2D sprites were the only way to create clouds in FSX and earlier versions of P3D.

The weather system in MSFS is fundamentally different than in any previous sim, and the techniques that Active Sky has used to good effect in FSX and P3D simply can’t be used in MSFS

The problem is that the MSFS weather engine was designed to work specifically and only with the data contained in the NEMS 30 global model provided by MeteoBlue. If any 3rd party was to inject weather into MSFS, they would have to duplicate all the data that MeteoBlue already provides in exactly the same format MeteoBlue uses.

Clouds in MSFS are procedurally generated from the data in the MB weather model using volumetric techniques. Apparently real-time satellite imagery is also now used in Live Weather to assist in cloud placement.

Improving cloud depiction would require having expertise in the internals of the MSFS graphics rendering engine which neither Damian nor any non-Asobo third party developer is likely to have.

Where Damian could possibly assist Asobo would be in the area of blending and interpolating weather data from a variety of sources. That is a big part of earlier versions of ActiveSky, and Damian might have expertise that could improve MSFS Live Weather in that specific area.

1 hour ago, JRBarrett said:

Yes. 2D sprites were the only way to create clouds in FSX and earlier versions of P3D.

The weather system in MSFS is fundamentally different than in any previous sim, and the techniques that Active Sky has used to good effect in FSX and P3D simply can’t be used in MSFS

The problem is that the MSFS weather engine was designed to work specifically and only with the data contained in the NEMS 30 global model provided by MeteoBlue. If any 3rd party was to inject weather into MSFS, they would have to duplicate all the data that MeteoBlue already provides in exactly the same format MeteoBlue uses.

Clouds in MSFS are procedurally generated from the data in the MB weather model using volumetric techniques. Apparently real-time satellite imagery is also now used in Live Weather to assist in cloud placement.

Improving cloud depiction would require having expertise in the internals of the MSFS graphics rendering engine which neither Damian nor any non-Asobo third party developer is likely to have.

Where Damian could possibly assist Asobo would be in the area of blending and interpolating weather data from a variety of sources. That is a big part of earlier versions of ActiveSky, and Damian might have expertise that could improve MSFS Live Weather in that specific area.

Yes, thank you, most people here just don't understand that Asobo and Meteoblue poured lots and lots of money into the development and maintaining this unique weather data and generation system for FS2020 and possibility into FS2024.  They cannot just open this PROPREITORY data and techniques to the third party just so they can fulfil a weather generation engine without compromising their intellectual properties and of course financial interest as well!