13 hours ago, Claudius_ said:

Time compression is a non sense in my opinion because if you want fly "real" and experiment the real weather conditions, the real pilot and airplane stress, or simply exploring the world around you with real sunshines, you need to go without time compression. Not to mention that time compression is stressing your hot pc too.

Sorry, but I completely disagree. I flew long haul for 6 years, and looks like I’ll be doing it again here soon. Most of the time in cruise, you’re literally just sitting there with nothing to do. If you really want to simulate long haul, get four buddies to sit there and have two swap out with you half way. One pilot doing a 4 man job for 16 hours is absolute nonsense. Time compression makes sense because you can reasonably sit there the whole time, resume normal mode near weather for deviations or abnormal procedures. 

Yep.  I leave both monitors on and the room light/fan/aircon on when I go out and grab a hamburger whilst driving my SUV only about 5km's away (3 miles).  I'm doing my part.

I'll just say if I had to use time compression or any other ridiculous tactic to complete a 6 hour or longer flights in a unrealistic shorter way saving time I will just do shorter routes or don't even bother booting up the sim in the first place. I agree with the other poster who said this should be in the hangar chat as it has nothing to do with MSFS all its about is energy saving.

14 hours ago, cappy42 said:

And what do you do during the long cruise during real-time simulation?  Do you go to the fridge?  Watch some TV?  Talk to your significant other?  Or do you do EXACTLY what a pilot does during these long hauls the whole time??

Sorry, I get a little upset with people who don't use time compression because it's not "real flying" .  

I know people have their opinions on Emi (as do I), but he makes good points here.

 

 

I may try time compression at some point. I've got absolutely nothing against it, just personally I prefer to slowly watch my long hauls unfold, checking into the cockpit from time to time. Yes, exactly, I head to the galley, chat with passengers and flight attendants, watch movies and take naps in the crew rest area, but most of all do boring administrative work like taxes etc. yawn. I'm sure Captain Dubois of Air France 447 wished he'd just remained in his seat.

I don't know why I do my flight simming like this. I definitely have some sort of attention deficit disorder and just focusing on one thing at a time like using time compression, or just doing short flights would certainly have its advantages.

Now I'm just thinking of a more extreme case like a ship simulator. I've never tried one, but I can imagine someone doing maybe a one week or even longer cruise maybe in a container ship, like Yokohama to Long Beach all in real time. Just take walks on the deck, watch the clouds. You won't see land for at least a week. I'm sure in such a case using time compression or just doing relatively short and exciting voyages like the Panama Canal or Dover to Calais would be good as well. But if someone would enjoy leaving their computer on for a week or longer and just checking things on the bridge from time to time, seeing how the weather develops, making minor course adjustments, maybe it's relaxing, why not?

Minimizing my window did nothing for my temps. I'm using a Ryzen 7 5800X3D which runs really hot and it stayed at the same temps, flux between 70-85

10 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

800 watts on the roof and 600ahrs lithium power my hobby and RV just fine.  Havn't paid an electric bill in many years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I pay my utility bills every month! 😇

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by Fielder

6 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

One pilot doing a 4 man job for 16 hours is absolute nonsense. Time compression makes sense because you can reasonably sit there the whole time, resume normal mode near weather for deviations or abnormal procedures. 

I know what are you talking about, and I guess you are a solitary man like the majority of the flight simmers, but I inform you that you can share your cockpit with your friends with the right app, google is your friend.

3 hours ago, V1ROTA7E said:

Sorry, but I completely disagree. I flew long haul for 6 years, and looks like I’ll be doing it again here soon. Most of the time in cruise, you’re literally just sitting there with nothing to do. If you really want to simulate long haul, get four buddies to sit there and have two swap out with you half way. One pilot doing a 4 man job for 16 hours is absolute nonsense. Time compression makes sense because you can reasonably sit there the whole time, resume normal mode near weather for deviations or abnormal procedures. 

This. 

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TLDR: 

ATC, Weather and Wx Radar don't work in this simulator as intended and so can be ignored for all intents and purposes. So can abnormal procedures if the aircraft faults option is not selected. 

Real Time Flight: 

• without faults selected in options and no realism apps running. Leave computer running and take real time sleep ( an IRL form of time compression)   
• with faults selected in options and/or realism apps running. Operate with two person crew taking turns at monitoring the whole flight.

Time Compressed Flight: 

• without faults selected in options and no realism apps running. Complete entire flight in one sitting. (simulates sleep and relief crew flying while watching sometimes impressive visual effects- imagine you are having pleasant dreams). 
• with faults selected in options and or realism apps running.  May be a less than optimal experience if issues or subtle indications are not identified and acted on early enough, resulting in the risk of abnormal procedures for bigger issues becoming necessary.      

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Real flying and especially long haul is affected by ATC (eg FIR entry /exits, altitude requests due to CAT or or uncomfortable conditions while flying through cloud tops), live weather deviations (CB activity particularly in equatorial regions, which can be less than fun at night) and of course abnormal procedures (systems monitoring while boring is an absolute must).  All of these are relevant to operating and navigating a real life long haul flight (and short haul flights too of course), with the inclusion of the necessary weather radar . 

 
However, ATC and weather don't work as intended in this simulator or as in the case of the wx radar, dont exist at all. Frankly,  it is a shame that while you may find yourself harshly judged on how quickly you can rescue a downed Atreides Ornithopter pilot before he is engulfed in a Dune sandstorm, you will never be judged on how safely you can operate and navigate an airliner full of hundreds of people, through weather and turbulence while transiting day and night over half the earth.  

 

Real Time Flight

If you do not have aircraft faults as an option and you do not have realism apps running then safety or completion of the flight, is not affected one iota by ignoring all ATC, weather or abnormals aspects for the whole flight. So if you want to fly real time then once established in the cruise you are best to leave the computer running, go watch a movie, grab a snack and take a nap as your 'relief crew' looks after things up front because again you can ignore all the aspects of ATC, weather and abnormals. That is pretty much like real life with 2 x Capts and 2 X FO's and as real as it gets in this simulator. 

If you do have abnormals or a realism app running, then you are going to have to monitor the whole flight in real time. Realistically, you will need at least two people to do turn about on watch to achieve this. Otherwise, if you try to do this for say a 15 hour long haul, you are an accident just looking for a place to happen. And that's totally unrealistic in real life.

 

Time Compressed Flight:

If you don't have the time to complete a real time long haul flight or you have environmental, financial or health and safety concerns about leaving your computer running or sitting in front of your computer for too long, then time compression is a great alternative to get the flight completed in one much shorter sitting. If you do not have faults as an option selected and you are not running any realism apps then time compression acts like you are taking a nap anyway. I mean IRL you go to sleep then wake up as if little or no time has past. Sleeping is real life time compression, except when you use time compression in the simulator and because you intend to remain in the seat for the whole time, you can watch the flight and take snaps of amazing sunrises, sunsets, cloud formations, earth features and other visual phenomena that might get your attention during cruise. Just pretend you're having pleasant dreams!. 

However, if you do have abnormals and realism apps running in the time compression environment, then faults or passenger issues that require immediate divert to a suitable airport may become problematic if the speed of time compression prevents early detection of the issue. This may then lead to less than optimal outcomes and the development of more serious abnormals.  @V1ROTA7E may want to chime in here as to how this can be addressed?  

 

As you can see from above I am trying to be objective and I am not advocating one approach over the other since everyone uses this simulator under differing circumstances. Features like time compression address some of those differing concerns. If I was to pick the key advantage of each I would say than operating a lengthy Real Time Flight tests the OS, the FS2020 software, your configuration settings and the hardware on your computer, particularly memory, for stability and resistance to CTD.   

Meanwhile a Time Compressed Flight has the obvious advantage of enjoying a long haul flight in shorter time span. 

Given the nature of relief crew presence on real life long haul flights and their crew rest periods, I don't think there is any right or wrong to either approach but rather what one wants to achieve from the particular approach they have chosen. 

 

Cheers

Terry

 

 

The problem with time compression currently is you don't have access to historical weather, unless you use a 3rd Party Weather Injector.

 

In P3D with Activesky I used to do my longhauls in a way that I would look at the time at destination in relation to my own timezone and then would start the flight about 2.5 hours before that time was reached. So basically while the real flight that I was shadowing in the sim was in the air. I would then set the sim to the original departure time, and set Active Sky to the historical time, usually something like 7 to 10 hours earlier to the real time. This way you get the correct weather the real aircraft was facing at time of departure.

Then you could do the start, climb to cruise, go into time acceleration  with the goal to reach TOD at real time and from then on fly with the current real weather.

Unless you use Active Sky again in MSFS (and I have no intention of buying it) you are stuck with the current live weather and this will be completely different. You may pretend that it is night instead of day at the start or vice versa, but the temperatures will be completely off as well as pressure and cloud cover.

That's why I don't use time accelleration and currently don't do long haul in the sim.

for those of you who can bear wearing a VR headset for hours straight on there is also the option to watch a movie on a screen inside that aircraft.

A sort of 'mental' time compression so you will using a pretend inflight entertainment system.

 

 

 

Edited June 29, 20241 yr by avhpilot

1 hour ago, avhpilot said:

for those of you who can bear wearing a VR headset for hours straight on there is also the option to watch a movie on a screen inside that aircraft.

I never wear the headset longer than 2 hours. I get all sweaty and my face gets pressure marks from the frame. 

The «funny» thing is, most people telling time compression is nonsense usually leave their PC on long hauls for whatever else, sleeping, food, drinks, other activities. Those I ask: why is it more realistic to let run the sim real time but still not overlooking everything constantly? Is it more realistic to fly true 8h or more, but being 7.5h away from the rig or using time compression that those 8h fit in 1-2h, but being able to constantly monitor the flight? My opinion is clear...

10 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

Now, how many lightbulbs can fit in an average size horse? 🐴 💡 Sorry @Noel, couldn’t resist.

Touche 🙃

On 6/28/2024 at 12:00 PM, cepact said:

An 8 hour flight with the PMDG 777 means my PC is running hot for 8 hours straight. At the same time I have to turn on the air conditioner to prevent my PC warming my room. I feel guilty to do this just to see pixels moving pretending to fly a plane, it doesn't feel right.

As an individual you could go through your whole life not doing anything environmentally damaging but it makes no difference to the overall climate.

It would take America, Europe, China and India to switch totally to renewables to have any appreciable effect on climate.... I can't believe that will ever happen, unfortunately.

9 hours ago, Lord Farringdon said:

chime in here as to how this can be addressed?

you could enable the "crew alertness monitor" in the aircraft options. I'm not sure what the PMDG interval is, but basically you'll get a master caution if you haven't interacted with something in the cockpit, and if left unchecked, you'll get a master warning. We usually would just scroll the heading bug. There are some systems that it doesn't monitor, but touching pretty much anything on the MCP will clear the message. But what it will allow you to do is, walk away, and do something else, then when you hear a master caution or master warning, you'll know to check the status of the plane. Not sure though, if the crew alertness monitor also speeds up while using time compression. It'd be kind of annoying having it go off every 2 minutes lol