July 5, 20241 yr So, the way that I see it there are four AI aircracft solutions; Project AI, FSLTL, PXPT and FS Traffic. I've used all three: 1. Project AI - the installation and management in the past has seemed very cumbersome. Doesn't use real time data and airacft can use all sorts of random runways, routes etc. 2. FSLTL - very easy to setup and install. Decent models and liveries. However, although it uses real time data, aircracft are all over the place; random runways, go arounds etc (makes somewhere like EGLL a nightmare). 3. PXPT - the real time data and the fact aircraft are always in the right place, using the correct runways is a major bonus. But, the interface is cumbersome and quite often I can arrive into an airport and there are no other aircraft there. Updates way too regularly. 4. FS Traffic - disaster For me a combination of FSLTL and PXPT would be ideal. What does anyone else think? Also, what is the best in terms of performance? AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X3D, AM5, Zen 5, 12 Core, 24 Threads, 4.4GHz, 5.5GHz Turbo 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MHz Corsair Vengeance 32GB GeForce® RTX 5090 Graphics Card
July 5, 20241 yr FSLTL when flying live, AIG when flying non-live, what is usually the case because my simming sessions are always around 8-12pm UTC. No joy to do only evening/night flights 🤣 Besides this, having big hopes in the BATC AI traffic solution... Greetings, Chris AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, 2x32GB DDR5 6000MT/s RAM, MSI RTX 4090 Ventus 3X, Windows 11 Home, MSFS2024
July 5, 20241 yr I opted for FSLTL a fair while back - for similar reasons to your own. I use AI-Ground and AI-Flow to help out.
July 5, 20241 yr Author What's the best performance wise? AMD Ryzen™ 9 9900X3D, AM5, Zen 5, 12 Core, 24 Threads, 4.4GHz, 5.5GHz Turbo 64GB (2x32GB) DDR5 6000MHz Corsair Vengeance 32GB GeForce® RTX 5090 Graphics Card
July 5, 20241 yr FSLTL since it allows me to set a big amount of static aircraft without having them clashing with the flying/taxiing ones. Best regards,Luis Hernández Main rig: self built, AMD Ryzen 7 5700X3D (with SMT off and CO -50 mV), 2x16 GB DDR4-3200 RAM, Nvidia RTX 5060Ti 16GB, 256 GB M.2 SSD (OS+apps) + 2x1 TB SATA III SSD (sims) + 1 TB 7200 rpm HDD (storage), ID-Cooling SE-224-XTS air cooler, Viewsonic VX2458-MHD 1920x1080@120-144 Hz (G-sync compatible), Windows 11. Running P3D v5.4 (with v4.5 scenery objects as an additional library, just in case), FSX-SE, MSFS2020, MSFS2024 and even FS9! Lossless Scaling for all my sims. What a godsend...Mobile rig: ASUS Zenbook UM425QA (AMD Ryzen 7 5800H APU @3.2 GHz and boost disabled, 1 TB M.2 SSD, 16 GB RAM, Windows 11 Pro). Running FS9 there .VKB Gladiator NXT Premium Left + GNX THQ as primary controllers. Xbox Series X|S wireless controller as standby/mobile.
July 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, Adamski_NZ said: I opted for FSLTL a fair while back - for similar reasons to your own. I use AI-Ground and AI-Flow to help out. This. If using FSLTL, using AI-Ground and AI-Flow are a must.
July 5, 20241 yr I never found AIground and Flow to do anything helpful to be honest, still had runway incursions, fly bys, taxiway cut offs etc, Regards, Max (YSSY) i7-12700K | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB 3600MHz DDR4 | Gigabyte RTX4090 24Gb | Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE DDR4 | Corsair HX1200 PSU
July 5, 20241 yr 1 hour ago, AnkH said: FSLTL when flying live, AIG when flying non-live, what is usually the case because my simming sessions are always around 8-12pm UTC. No joy to do only evening/night flights 🤣 Besides this, having big hopes in the BATC AI traffic solution... This is exactly what I was going to type, best combo for me Dave Current System (Running at 4k): ASUS ROG STRIX X670E-F, Ryzen 7800X3D, RTX 5090, 55" Samsung Q80T, 64GB DDR5 6000 RAM, EVGA CLC 280mm AIO Cooler, Brunner CLS-E NG Yoke, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS & Stick, Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant & Add-on, VirtualFly Ruddo+, TQ6+ and Yoko+, GoFlight MCP-PRO and EFIS, Skalarki FCU and MCDU
July 6, 20241 yr Project AI?? That takes me back to FS9 and haven't heard about it since then. It all depends on what you are looking for. If it's easy, then FSLTL, simple as that. Decent number of models and liveries assuming you don't want much for Cargo. If you want a solid all round everything but takes effort from the user to install, then AIG. More models, and 10X the liveries as well as lots of GA. You can even blend them and run the FSLTL injector with the AIG fleet to get a far better mix of real time traffic than just FSLTL. Personally, I use PSXT with the AIG fleet and it's amazing for those areas that have good coverage and for areas that don't have great coverage which isn't very oftenw I'll use AIG and just put up with the bad parking and overall corniness from the default AI engine of the sim. Performance wise, they really are all very similar. It all comes down to tuning each of them to work with your system. Generally though, any similar number of AI aircraft regardless of what method you are using will yield the same performance. This is another reason I love PSXT, you set the injection radius but it doesn't spawn aircraft at nearby airports that you'll never ever see and aircraft park where they should for the most part again assuming good coverage. Edited July 6, 20241 yr by Dave_YVR i7-13700KF, 32gb DDR4 3200, RTX 4080, Win 11, MSFS 2024
July 6, 20241 yr 4 hours ago, mikeklimek said: This. If using FSLTL, using AI-Ground and AI-Flow are a must. interesting that you say this as I recall the FSLTL development team suggest not using these supplemental addons with their later builds (over the last year or so). CPU: Core i5-6600K 4 core (3.5GHz) - overclock to 4.3 | RAM: (1066 MHz) 16GB MOBO: ASUS Z170 Pro | GeForce GTX 1070 8GB | MONITOR: 2560 X 1440 2K
July 6, 20241 yr I have both FSLTL and PSXT along with backup AIG models. I like both and alternate between them sometimes. I like the fact that with PSXT the aircraft are all parked at the correct spots and use the proper runways. It has some quirks but overall I prefer it over FSLTL. I have not used AI FLow/AI Ground with FSLTL in a while so may do that combo on next flight. Those apps do have separation controls similar to FSLTL so you have to disable that setting in one or the other I feel like sometimes PSXT is harder on FPS and I do set Maximums in the interface to limit live and parked traffic similar to what I use in FSLTL. Might be the way traffic is injected...or just my imagination... Eric i9-12900k, RTX 5070ti OC, 32GB ddr5 5600 RAM, 2TB 980 Pro SSD, Titan 240RX AIO, Samsung CRG90 49", Win 11
July 6, 20241 yr 16 hours ago, BWBriscoe said: So, the way that I see it there are four AI aircracft solutions; Project AI, FSLTL, PXPT and FS Traffic. I've used all three: 1. Project AI - the installation and management in the past has seemed very cumbersome. Doesn't use real time data and airacft can use all sorts of random runways, routes etc. 2. FSLTL - very easy to setup and install. Decent models and liveries. However, although it uses real time data, aircracft are all over the place; random runways, go arounds etc (makes somewhere like EGLL a nightmare). 3. PXPT - the real time data and the fact aircraft are always in the right place, using the correct runways is a major bonus. But, the interface is cumbersome and quite often I can arrive into an airport and there are no other aircraft there. Updates way too regularly. 4. FS Traffic - disaster For me a combination of FSLTL and PXPT would be ideal. What does anyone else think? Also, what is the best in terms of performance? I think the best option is under development and due for release in the not too distant future. Beyond ATC has written an AI program that overlays MSFS but runs ouside of it, I think (check their website and vids for more info) it uses whichever AI aircraft you have installed (I think FSLTL are the best) and will accurately control every AI aircraft within your sim from gate to gate, it will also be a free update to the already released BATC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_Z9Gq6Gx80 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGkFZRal4II AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 4.2 32 gig ram, Nvidia RTX3060 12 gig, Intel 760 SSD M2 NVMe 512 gig, M2NVMe 1Tbt (OS) M2NVMe 2Tbt (MSFS) Crucial MX500 SSD (Backup OS). VR Oculus Quest 2 Windows 11 25H2 YouTube:- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC96wsF3D_h5GzNNJnuDH3WQ 2k+ Videos & Streams BATC and FSFO FB Group:- https://www.facebook.com/groups/1571953959750565 Flight Sim First Officer (FSFOv6) and SoFly Beta Tester Reality Is For People Who Can't Handle Simulation!
July 6, 20241 yr It's a bit of a stretch to cite an ATC program as an 'AI Aircraft Solution', but by that criterion: The best, currently available, option is FSHud, which natively supports FSLTL and AIG, and any aircraft incorporated into a traffic BGL. It too accurately controls every AI aircraft within your sim from gate to gate. Ian Box
July 6, 20241 yr You forgot the best one, AIG. For transparency: I'm a community mentor at the BATC discord. However, I do not get paid for it in any way.
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