36 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

My opinion is meaningless on the subject? Ok then, lol! But here it is anyway: you said "they're literally convincing future pilots that it's ok to fly through storms." It is pretty much ok you fly anywhere you want and do whatever you want, no matter real life restrictions. It's a simulator game! You can do all the stuff which would be illegal or stupid or whatever in real life, but the program is not convincing you to do it, or convincing you it's ok.

My point is flight schools and instructors are teaching and 'convincing' future pilots what's ok and what not, certainly not a game 🙂 If a student has bad habits because he is (was) a simmer the instructor undoubtedly sets him or her straight on day one.

Exactly. This has become an IRL training issue.

It is NOT a sim/game issue.

Just as with driving/racing sims must affect driving schools.

Which is to say, "negative training" is the responsibility of the IRL school, not of MS/Asobo.

@Sticky

Edited September 26, 20241 yr by UrgentSiesta
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1 hour ago, Sticky said:

Funny thing is, those poking fun or minimizing my statement have never been a CFI and soloed a student,

Are you saying that you, or some flight schools you know, are soloing students without correcting such a simple, fundamental, easily understood idea that you can’t actually fly through dense clouds like you can in most home-use desktop simulators?

The fact that he's wrong about 2024 not having dangerous weather just makes that statement funnier lol

Let's put it this way: Sebastian, who I like to listen to, could have skipped that one "hail would be too dangerous"... sentence, although I confess I did find it funny too. BTW, overall Sebastian exposes very well his decisions regarding the way MSFS simulates aerodynamics, without going into deep math / physics formulation.

I wish, with time, MSFS 2024 can overcome the limitations of representing hail and in some SU along it's run, introduce hail and simulation variables for developers to play with it's consequences.

I also wish they can overcome the limitations 2020 has in properly representing reduced visibility scenarios (nothing mentioned so far regarding their solution to this limitation in MSFS 2020 with it's "aerosols approach"), allowing for a much more precise / accurate rendering of low visibility according to the reported situations in METAR. I wish they can find a better merge between aloft and METAR wind, which still shows strange discrepancies... I would love to have some consistency in thermal lift / sink, because as it is right now, and contrarily to what it is IRL, in MSFS 2020 90% of the time you will get better results flying straight ahead in your glider than circling to stay inside of a thermal core.... There's sink around a thermal (and not only) and it's a lot more "intense" than the "normal" sink away from thermal activity zones. 

I whish the new specificities of the flight model, including the chance to create aircraft with multiple wings / fins / tails... and objects with their own lift / drag / thrust contributions, can render the representation of, say, a simple twin or an aerobatic Pitts a lot more accurate...

I whish the fuselage refinements Sebastian also mentioned can render the representation of fuselage aerodynamics even better than what it is right now which, IMO, is superior to X-Plane fuselage aerodynamics, or at least renders the effects of maneuvers like a sideslip more consistent with RL from my experience with gliders on both sims....

I which we can fly through the North and South poles without the weirdiness that presently plagues cross Polar routes...

I which the glider tug doesn't start diving madly as the C172 does during the early phases of a tow ....

But overall, I whish the new simulation model will not kill my monthly Internet service limitations 😞

Edited September 27, 20241 yr by jcomm

14 hours ago, Sticky said:

I hope 2024 does include a little bit of aviation discipline, ironically my critics are the usual crowd that claim it's a sim "not a game".  I hope 2024 is fun and inspires an entire generation, but it must do so with so acknowledgement that it is serious, ...icing doesn't just cover the windscreen.

This comes across as the same lines of thinking that shooting games creates more violent children (whilst demonstably proven false). Like people are smart enough to understand this is a game and it's not representative of real life. Also anyone going into flight training is going to be taught the dangers of icing amongt other things in their weather courses and/or training from their CFI and not use a game as a basis of their experienced in real life. I play GTA V, I don't go around thinking I can suddenly hijack cars without any lasting repurcussions.

The idea that they'd just hop in a plane in the middle of icing conditions because nothing happened to them in a flight sim is genuinely hilarious that you think this scenario would even occur.

Honestly, wow.

From this week's dev update https://www.flightsimulator.com/september-26th-2024-development-update/, the schedule for the near-weekly livestream/Q&A sessions leading up to release, with next week's one focused on the SDK (hopefully they will throw in some feature discovery deep dive videos before eGA too)

On 9/25/2024 at 6:10 PM, Sticky said:

They're literally convincing future pilots that it's ok to fly through storms.

Yeah, the 'future pilots' who.....

1. Installed MSFS 2020/2024 and ran the sim-game for however long then...
2. Went out and somehow got their PPL with no official training whatsoever.

Certainly this set of 'future pilots' might believe it's okay to fly thru storms 🙃.