iFly will beat PMDG in releasing the 737 Max in MSFS

[DAD]

1 hour ago, jcomm said:

bought it sometime ago for P3d v5

And I did for FSX and remember I liked it, so will buy it again if the fps is not too big on my by now modest machine

[MrBitstFlyer]

On 10/4/2024 at 4:44 PM, longhaul747 said:

The PMDG 737 MAX is unofficially dead at least in its current version if it ever really existed.

I've read this a few times but just don't understand the sentiment behind the comment.  The PMDG 737 series are very good simulations of that aircraft, so to suggest they are poor enough that 'if it ever really existed' is a strange comment indeed.  How is the PMDG 737 'unofficially dead'?  Are they no longer working? Are they bug ridden making them unusable?

I do wonder how comments and thoughts like these are born.

[BrammyH]

15 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

How is the PMDG 737 'unofficially dead'?  Are they no longer working? Are they bug ridden making them unusable?

Huh?

This is in relation to the future MAX PMDG was going to release. Not the current retail offerings from them. 

Edited October 6 by BrammyH

[Greazer]

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

How is the PMDG 737 'unofficially dead'?  Are they no longer working? Are they bug ridden making them unusable?

I do wonder how comments and thoughts like these are born.

It means the quality and feature set is at a much more basic level, such as lower polygon models, basic sounds (copied from NG), bland textures and systems with old bugs that never get fixed.  If they did release it, then there would be a complete embarrassment.

[MrBitstFlyer]

1 hour ago, BrammyH said:

Huh?

This is in relation to the future MAX PMDG was going to release. Not the current retail offerings from them. 

Their current B737 offering are very good simulations of the B737, why think a future model would be anything less?

[MrBitstFlyer]

21 minutes ago, Greazer said:

It means the quality and feature set is at a much more basic level, such as lower polygon models, basic sounds (copied from NG), bland textures and systems with old bugs that never get fixed.  If they did release it, then there would be a complete embarrassment.

Judging by the current PMDG B737 aircraft, it is a complete embarrassment for anybody to suggest what you have.  

[BrammyH]

6 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Their current B737 offering are very good simulations of the B737, why think a future model would be anything less?

I'm still really confused. PMDG themselves said they are "deprioritizing working on the MAX." If we do see a max it will be well after the 747, etc., that are in active development.

Which means for the team being, the PMDG MAX is dead.

Your original quoted text was someone speaking specifically to a PMDG MAX.

Edited October 6 by BrammyH

[JonathanC]

6 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Their current B737 offering are very good simulations of the B737, why think a future model would be anything less?

Because PMDG themselves have said it's dead ( "deprioritized"), but essentially it's dead and not going to release anytime soon. They could resurrect it but I'm sure we'll have another wall of text from RSR if that happens. Till PMDG bring it back to life, it's dead, Jim. 

[Greazer]

2 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

Which means for the team being, the PMDG MAX is dead.

Yes the original plan was to release the Max at this time now. But following all the teasers and previews, they have been knocked out by IFly Max.

[psolk]

1 hour ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

Judging by the current PMDG B737 aircraft, it is a complete embarrassment for anybody to suggest what you have.  

You are off base...  

PMDG have said they have commercial commitments so their version of the Max they were working to release is on hold for now.  Some have interpreted that as meaning it is dead as they did not bother to read the full announcement.  Others have attributed it to Asobo and iFly.  Neither of those seem to be the case.  In either case, you are commenting about their current line, the announcement was regarding the Max in the future. 

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PMDG 737MAX for MSFS:
You may see us make reference to our Enterprise Division in a few places during the coming months and years. This is a new aspect of PMDG's growth that has us working with a large, commercial aircraft manufacturer on an enterprise level project that is a high priority for them and for all of us at PMDG. It has caused us to de-prioritize the retail release of our 737MAX for the time being, as our contract requires that we maintain a clear firewall between our retail product options and the work we are doing on the enterprise-side. Since we are not an enormous corporation, this means that the same developers who are currently supporting the enterprise effort are in-part a portion of the development team responsible for our MAX iteration- and that makes it hard for us to document a clear firewall between the two products. For now we are prioritizing the enterprise side, as our success in the project has the potential to be a BIG X FACTOR in a project we would like to do after the 747 is completed. (Yes, there was a hint there...)

Once we wrap up our work on that project, we'll swing back toward putting resources toward our retail 737Max product line, as the contract requirement for a firewall will be easier to manage at that juncture.

Oh- and to be clear, since sometimes folks attribute facts where they don't belong: This project has nothing whatever to do with the MAX that Asobo has made for MSFS24. Totally unrelated and as they say in air traffic control: Not a factor.

 

Edited October 6 by psolk

[Christopher Low]

6 minutes ago, psolk said:

....PMDG have said they have commercial commitments so their version of the Max they were working to release is on hold for now.  Some have interpreted that as meaning it is dead as they have a personal vendetta against PMDG that is borderline psychotic......

There, I fixed that for you

Edited October 6 by Christopher Low

[Falconjet112]

To my mind the real test of any tubeliner is the way in which the FMC handles VNAV descent as this requires complex mathematics to properly model.

Really sorry to say that having watched "Real 737 pilot" from Stansted to Dublin...VNAV during the descent was all over the place.

I've flown that exact approach in the PMDG many times and VNAV nails it each and every time. Completely different league. PMDG rules imo! 

Edited October 6 by Falconjet112

[Fiorentoni]

40 minutes ago, psolk said:

You are off base...  

PMDG have said they have commercial commitments so their version of the Max they were working to release is on hold for now.  Some have interpreted that as meaning it is dead as they did not bother to read the full announcement.  Others have attributed it to Asobo and iFly.  Neither of those seem to be the case.  In either case, you are commenting about their current line, the announcement was regarding the Max in the future. 

 

There's reading an announcement and reading between the lines of an announcement. At the very least this means a 737 MAX from PMDG is several years away, after the 747 and probably also after their secret project (77X I assume). And one must be very naive to believe that after years of saying "we have the MAX ready to be released at any time / it will be released between the 777 variants" they suddenly get a surprise commercial commitment which - for whatever reason - means they cannot develop the MAX for now. The truth is they've lost the race to the MAX and instead of admitting that, they invent/push in front some commitment that prevents them from working *only* on the MAX (while anything else seems unaffected).
I wouldn't call the MAX dead, but it's at least indefinitely frozen (which these days in software development means "dead" in most cases)

[F737MAX]

Very happy to see that the iFly 737 MAX is getting such praise. Fingers crossed it delivers.

It's about time some quality Boeing airliner alternatives will soon be available. PMDG has dominated the market for years, leading them to phone in their efforts. This can be seen from issues in the MSFS version of the 737 dating back all the way to their FSX one, texturing and sound design that doesn't hit the high standards reached by others, and poor UI for interacting with their airliners that even freeware devs have surpassed.

PMDG designed and created some fantastic systems recreations a while ago, yet have sat on their laurels. The fact that so many here are happy to defend their attitude, while shelling out $70+ for the 'privilege', goes to show how problematic it's been in the Boeing flight sim arena.

Looking forward to BlueBird Sim, iFly, and SWS/FSReborn hopefully all showing PMDG how it should be done.

[carlanthony24]

1 hour ago, psolk said:

You are off base...  

PMDG have said they have commercial commitments so their version of the Max they were working to release is on hold for now.  Some have interpreted that as meaning it is dead as they did not bother to read the full announcement.  Others have attributed it to Asobo and iFly.  Neither of those seem to be the case.  In either case, you are commenting about their current line, the announcement was regarding the Max in the future. 

 

Can you blame us though. I say again its just like GFO. We've all been around long enough to know what PMDG says you take for gospel.

Edited October 6 by carlanthony24