7 minutes ago, alex86 said:

Hopefully price won’t be too steep. The latest video looks great though!

I was craving for exactly that kind of stuff 10-15 years ago. I don't think they will put a low price tag on it, since most people don't care about too much realism. High fidelety is nische produkt, the more specific you get with "realistic feature" the product gets nischier (if that a word :D), so to get the money out of it form a relatively small potential customer base (in addition with a market that for most are saturated in regard to the Airbus CEO famliy). I hope the offer it for a low price still, but I doubt it. I am also not sure if these features are worth paying a high price, especially because we don't know how Fenix will react to that. The case would change completely for FSlabs if they also work on a NEO...

Very interesting features and totally up my study level vibe, but the cockpit textures are just meh, I can't help it.

The tech log and GPS jamming looks very nice.
I also wonder about pricing. Their P3D offers were the most expensive I’ve bought for the A320/321, but given P3D market supply/demand/licensing it was probably always going to be that way. 

I wonder about the demand here for an A321CEO/SL in MSFS20/24.

Do an A330/340/350/380 to that kind of detail would be an instant buy provided the price is right. But I’m not getting another A321…

Poor demand usually lead to high price if they want to recoup their development effort.

FSL should really just come out and make a formal announcement on plans. I understand that they’ll do this when they’re ready etc etc. but this form of communication is simply not ok. Take a page out of discord, PMDG, even MSFS/ASOBO with their updates to the community might be appreciated.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by silentghostx

50 minutes ago, alex86 said:

Hopefully price won’t be too steep. The latest video looks great though!

One hundred and Fifty perhaps?

The FSL is the type of addon you fly constantly so for some even if it were to release at £150, the amount of hours they'd use it for would represent incredible value. For more casual pilots (and this is not meant at all in a disparaging way, it's just that it is "the" alternative), perhaps the Fenix will be more appropriate.

1 hour ago, FPVSteve said:

For more casual pilots (and this is not meant at all in a disparaging way, it's just that it is "the" alternative), perhaps the Fenix will be more appropriate.

No, the Fenix A320 is arguably the most complex airliner in any flight sim. Engine fan blade icing, hot start issues, compressor stall, and >200 failures, all recreated.

Though FSL were the leading devs back in P3D, IMO Fenix Sim has surpassed them in systems, visuals and sounds.

9 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

o, the Fenix A320 is arguably the most complex airliner in any flight sim. Engine fan blade icing, hot start issues, compressor stall, and >200 failures, all recreated.

Yes, I am not so sure the gulf is that wide; this is not Aerosoft and FSL in P3D. The Fenix is both a very well done and a highly convincing simulation and it is done by a developer who engages with the community in a positive, uplifting and educational way.  It will take a great deal more than what they have shown in these videos to make me even consider to buy another CEO 321; to be honest, some of that stuff looks a little annoying to me. Also, I want to be GSX free in 2024 if I can so I am a little concerned about how tight the integration is.

8 hours ago, FPVSteve said:

The FSL is the type of addon you fly constantly so for some even if it were to release at £150, the amount of hours they'd use it for would represent incredible value. For more casual pilots (and this is not meant at all in a disparaging way, it's just that it is "the" alternative), perhaps the Fenix will be more appropriate.

Don't flatter yourself Fenix is more capable than you make it out to be. Casuals normally don't fly the Fenix.

1 hour ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Don't flatter yourself Fenix is more capable than you make it out to be. Casuals normally don't fly the Fenix.

Gotta start justifying that, presumably, steep price tag of the FSL to oneself somehow...

I still haven't seen anything that would make me want to switch. The things they've shown so far are gimmicks to me and even though it's only a few short videos, the textures and model just look worse to me than the Fenix. The flight deck atmosphere feels a bit "sterile" for lack of a better word whereas the Fenix really feels alive. Hard to judge from videos I admit, but those are my first impressions.

Meanwhile we now have the Fenix in MSFS24...not sure how worried they were for that and whether they put other development on contingency hold whilst '24 was a big unknown - perhaps that frees the team up to innovate further and add new features - they already started with 4x support.

Edited November 25, 20241 yr by Speedbird 217

On 11/24/2024 at 2:18 AM, alex86 said:

I’m probably in the minority but if they include the time jump feature that they had in P3D, as well as the ability to do 4-8x sim rate, I’m probably buying it. That’s the only thing missing for me from the FENIX. The FENIX is definitely my most used addon, but honestly feel limited to doing shorter flights unfortunately. But like I said, I know I’m in the minority. 

Don’t know if anyone already said this, but the Fenix now does 4x sim rate. The update would have come out on the same day you posted. 🙂

1 hour ago, Speedbird 217 said:

Gotta start justifying that, presumably, steep price tag of the FSL to oneself somehow...

I still haven't seen anything that would make me want to switch. The things they've shown so far are gimmicks to me and even though it's only a few short videos, the textures and model just look worse to me than the Fenix. The flight deck atmosphere feels a bit "sterile" for lack of a better word whereas the Fenix really feels alive. Hard to judge from videos I admit, but those are my first impressions.

Meanwhile we now have the Fenix in MSFS24...not sure how worried they were for that and whether they put other development on contingency hold whilst '24 was a big unknown - perhaps that frees the team up to innovate further and add new features - they already started with 4x support.

IMO the more serious simmers will buy the FSL and do a comparison with the Fenix and have an opinion. Streamers like Blackbox711, V1, A320 sim pilot who are or were A320 pilots in the real world and then you will have a lot of "so be it" hardcore simmers that will form their own opinion too on which will be the best Airbus for MSFS and a bunch of people will be following it. So if it turns out that the FSL is the new leader of the A321 series I'm sure many will probably try it (including me at reasonable price) but lets be sure that Fenix is not going to be just sitting there with their hands under their asses and blaming everyone else for their problems. They will push further too. Time will tell.

Edited November 25, 20241 yr by JBDB-MD80

Calm down folks.. I meant that IF you spend the £150 on FSL, you're more likely to be a person who will use it and only it every session and thus get a heck of a lot of value out of it over time (especially if it has persistent state). I get that you like the Fenix and I do too but there's nothing wrong with more options. You don't have to buy it (or even like it).

10 hours ago, F737MAX said:

No, the Fenix A320 is arguably the most complex airliner in any flight sim. Engine fan blade icing, hot start issues, compressor stall, and >200 failures, all recreated.

Though FSL were the leading devs back in P3D, IMO Fenix Sim has surpassed them in systems, visuals and sounds.

You're comparing Fenix to the FSL P3D release, of course they've surpassed that benchmark. It'd be worrying if they hadn't 😂 ... so now FSL are releasing their new MSFS product. At least wait for it to be released before you judge it based on things you haven't even seen yet. 

2 hours ago, Speedbird 217 said:

Gotta start justifying that, presumably, steep price tag of the FSL to oneself somehow...

I still haven't seen anything that would make me want to switch. The things they've shown so far are gimmicks to me and even though it's only a few short videos, the textures and model just look worse to me than the Fenix. The flight deck atmosphere feels a bit "sterile" for lack of a better word whereas the Fenix really feels alive. Hard to judge from videos I admit, but those are my first impressions.

Meanwhile we now have the Fenix in MSFS24...not sure how worried they were for that and whether they put other development on contingency hold whilst '24 was a big unknown - perhaps that frees the team up to innovate further and add new features - they already started with 4x support.

I'm not justifying anything - I don't even know what the price tag is, I'm just discussing an upcoming release *shrug*. 

For me, it will be interesting to see if they can surpass the Fenix in terms of overhead ... the Fenix is quite a heavy hitter on performance on some computers. If they can make an exceptionally detailed Airbus that runs even more efficiently than the Fenix and give a frame rate boost, it raises the stakes a little.

Not yet released but new website is up with more details:

https://www.flightsimlabs.com/index.php/a321-ceo-msfs/

https://www.flightsimlabs.com/index.php/introducing-the-a321/

Price:
 

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The product includes four distinct variants, offering both the IAE V2500 and CFM56 engines with Wing Tip Fences and Sharklets all for the price of $69.99 +VAT

Also the A321Neo will follow:

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FlightSimLabs is thrilled to announce the development of the A321neo for MSFS 2020/2024! Building on the success of the A321ceo, which has served as a test bed for this exciting new project, the A321neo will continue our commitment to delivering high-quality aircraft simulations. While the project is still in progress, it will follow shortly behind the release of our A321ceo. As a token of appreciation, customers who purchase the A321ceo between now and the A321neo release will be eligible for a discount on the A321neo. We are excited to share a small preview of what’s to come and can’t wait to bring this modern aircraft to the MSFS community!

 

Edited November 29, 20241 yr by Zangoose

This is REALLY GOOD NEWS !!!

$69.95 add VAT on top of that shame its not the NEO. MEL is a nice feature.

Edited November 29, 20241 yr by carlanthony24