16 minutes ago, Noel said:

You got it--give it a few more weeks...

If they lower the quality enough it will be good again in days not weeks. The userbase will have dwindled considerably. 

Not many people mention the water physics. Its the best water I ever seen in any computer game/sim… I see float planes is gonna be my new thing to have fun with in flightsim:).

Threads like these make me a little sad.

I think MSFS 2024 has a lot of potential, it's already very good. Comparing it to a mature sim like MSFS 2020 is unfair.

I have no crashes, I have no real issues, the things that users in the Steam community are complaining about mostly existed or even still exist on MSFS 2020.

Been simming since year 2000 and I've been flying MSFS 2020 and MSFS 2024 back and forth these couple of days, and I can definitely say that I already like MSFS 2024 better.

I do not think that it is unfair to compare the default simulator with a modded MSFS 2020. If the new kid on the block does not look significantly better than the existing version, then what is the reason for upgrading if that new version has bugs and bandwidth issues? Some of the screenshots of MSFS 2024 look fantastic (and I am certainly interested), but I have no intention of making the switch until various issues and features have been addressed to my satisfaction. That may sound like a stubborn viewpoint, but I am happy enough with my MSFS 2020 experience as it stands now......just like I was happy enough with P3Dv4 for three years after MSFS 2020 was released 

Wheres the physics compassions.

Seeing some people harp over things as insignificant as tree sizes and other small graphical things and not over the fact that 2024 (imo) undoubtedly has far better ground physics (taxing is a complete joy) and better flight physics is amusing. 

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by FedDriver

The ONLY reason I’ve bought 24 is for the better physics, the other stuff is nice to have but the physics was my main motivation in buying.

i must admit i do like that rock faces are now 3D vertical walls now as well though, and I suppose the ground and river improvements too.

I do kind of wish this could have been offered as a sort of enhancement package to 2020 rather than a whole new sim, having said that the words FSX “ acceleration pack” still make me shiver !

 

10 minutes ago, FedDriver said:

Wheres the physics compassions.

Seeing some people harp over things as insignificant as tree sizes and other small graphical things and not over the fact that 2024 (imo) undoubtedly has far better ground physics (taxing is a complete joy) and better flight physics is amusing. 

Which any good modder could change in 2020, so why a whole new game?

You suggesting allthese expensive planes people have been selling are rubbish?

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by flightyjoe

Just now, flightyjoe said:

Which any good modder could change in 2020, so why a whole new game?

The only reason it's a whole new game is because of the Cloud Structure, everything else could've been a DLC for extra cost, which I dare say would've sold very well indeed.

6 minutes ago, jon b said:

The ONLY reason I’ve bought 24 is for the better physics, the other stuff is nice to have but the physics was my main motivation in buying.

i must admit i do like that rock faces are now 3D vertical walls now as well though, and I suppose the ground and river improvements too.

I do kind of wish this could have been offered as a sort of enhancement package to 2020 rather than a whole new sim, having said that the words FSX “ acceleration pack” still make me shiver !

 

I agree Jon. The very same point I made yesterday! An updated/upgraded MSFS2020 with the things that relate directly to flying.  yes, the words 'accceleration pack, do bring back memories.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Rocky_53

11 hours ago, pete_auau said:

Just to add  to this  thread  the  author  of  the  utube  said  no mod  added  to  the  msfs2020  version

In which case, MS 2020 natively shows the approach lighting while 2024 doesn't! How can we go backwards when improved ground detail is a major element of MS2024?

6 minutes ago, flightyjoe said:

Which any good modder could change in 2020, so why a whole new game?

You suggesting allthese expensive planes people have been selling are rubbish?

I don't think he does. No matter what, with the new 2024 flight models developers can create even more accurate aircraft (unless they use their own flight model outside the sim, like A2A). And what MarcG said, a lot has changed under the hood which justifies a new version; changes could not be implemented as an update as I understand.

Edited November 24, 20241 yr by Rimshot

4 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

And what MarcG said, a lot has changed under the hood which justifies a new version; changes could not be implemented as an update as I understand.

Like what exactly? I'm not seeing anything other than the Cloud Structure that's forced a complete new title. 

I argued this before release and was hounded out by the resident Chairman of the Asobo Fan Club, now post release I'm still not seeing anything worthy that I haven't seen updated in other games/Sims as an Update or DLC etc.

23 hours ago, Rimshot said:

I have a strong suspicion that the creator of the video is not showing default MSFS 2020. There definitely is some kind of mod active to reduce the size of the trees and the number of trees in urban areas. Actually I think I know pretty sure.

Even worse, the more I look at it the more I suspect the creator of the video has the sims reversed; the whole feel, variety of trees and hue makes me think what he states is MSFS 2020 is actually 2024 and vice versa: 'MSFS 2024' looks way to blue and the huge number and size of trees in the urban area looks exactly like MSFS 2020 🤔

No matter what, I don't look at these kind of videos anymore. They're mostly clickbate with the intention to misinform (there are exceptions of course).

 

11 hours ago, pete_auau said:

Just to add  to this  thread  the  author  of  the  utube  said  no mod  added  to  the  msfs2020  version

Appears I was totally wrong then... Next time I'll check before I post, I promise! 😊

Just now, MarcG said:

Like what exactly?

Like you I was referring to the whole cloud thing. I suspect this required a lot of changes to the code.

13 minutes ago, Rimshot said:

Like you I was referring to the whole cloud thing. I suspect this required a lot of changes to the code.

aahh ok yeah, I mean the Career/Missions/Physics improvements/lighting engine/UI/other features could've easily been DLC, but it matters not of course.