8 hours ago, Aglos77 said:

In a year you buy 2024 and enjoy it.

I agree with this.  I periodically lurk in the forums to keep up with the latest, and I'm perfectly happy to wait until they get the majority of issues sorted, even if it takes a year or longer.  To me, the time spent troubleshooting and frustration isn't worth the shiny new object just yet.

More power to those who don't mind it.

2 hours ago, JonathanC said:

People who use both can make up their own minds, I have used both for years and would never say that XP has good scenery by default, but sure, maybe some people like you are satisfied with it and that’s fine, people like different things

I agree, XP12 scenery can be both good and awful depending on area. MSFS2024 has fantastic scenery, but XP12 with SimHeaven and Global Forest is good enough for a satisfying sim.

 

16 minutes ago, mikeklimek said:

To me, the time spent troubleshooting and frustration isn't worth the shiny new object just yet.

For me there isn't any troubleshooting, just waiting for particular bugs I see to be fixed.

Seems better to me to experience all the good stuff, rather than miss out for the next year.

11 hours ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

I agree, XP12 scenery can be both good and awful depending on area. MSFS2024 has fantastic scenery, but XP12 with SimHeaven and Global Forest is good enough for a satisfying sim.

 

There is no comparison between XP12 and MS2024 scenery. The first is artificial computer-drawn, the latter is real-world. Yes, real-world scenery for some areas is available as expensive add-ons for XP12, but that doesn't remotely match what MS2024 offers. 

6 hours ago, cobalt said:

There is no comparison between XP12 and MS2024 scenery. The first is artificial computer-drawn, the latter is real-world. Yes, real-world scenery for some areas is available as expensive add-ons for XP12, but that doesn't remotely match what MS2024 offers. 

Which is more or less what I said!

6 hours ago, cobalt said:

No hay comparación entre los escenarios de XP12 y MS2024. El primero es un diseño artificial realizado por ordenador, el segundo es del mundo real. Sí, hay escenarios del mundo real para algunas zonas disponibles como complementos caros para XP12, pero no se comparan ni remotamente con lo que ofrece MS2024. 

Since when are auto ortho and ortho4xp payable ?

I keep 2024 installed so every so often I can do a flight in it, remember why I don't like it, and go back to 2020. 

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by Langeveldt

2 hours ago, Langeveldt said:

I keep 2024 installed so every so often I can do a flight in it, remember why I don't like it, and go back to 2020. 

Genuine question; why? You’ve said you’d be happy if you never had to play it again, so why not just take the loss, delete it from your hard drive, and be happy with your legacy sim of choice?

6 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Genuine question; why?

Confirmation bias.

10 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Genuine question; why? You’ve said you’d be happy if you never had to play it again, so why not just take the loss, delete it from your hard drive, and be happy with your legacy sim of choice?

He probably is hoping that one of the hundreds of patches it will need, will eventually get it it to work properly.

There are far too many bugs and crashes for me to take MSFS2024 seriously at this time. Just yesterday i had a CTD when selecting an airport on the world map. So i try it again and this time i get it to load, but then it gives some popup error about traffic. Then i look and see planes half sunk into the ground. 

If MS/Asobo are going to release untested garbage, which seems to be the one thing they excel at, then i am just going to continue to spend my free time elsewhere. Because flight simming is not the place to question whether i did something wrong, or is it a bug? I will periodically load it up, but i won’t be an alpha tester for these people. 

I also play BMS and i struggle to find one bug in that sim. Crashes? Never. When they release a new update i am very confident it has been tested by actual F-16 pilots, who know how things should work. If something is off, a hot-fix is always close behind. And these developers do it for free. MS/Asobo are just rank amateurs. But with enough effort and chasing their tails, just like with 2020 eventually they figure it out. 
 

 

Edited December 25, 20241 yr by RobJC

On 12/23/2024 at 5:09 PM, Greazer said:

Sounds like a newcomer. I actually got the first flight sim running on a highly modded Apple II computer back in '77.   Believe it or not. 

Wow! I thought I was cool with my Timex-Sinclair 1000 back in 1982...

3 hours ago, scotchegg said:

Genuine question; why? You’ve said you’d be happy if you never had to play it again, so why not just take the loss, delete it from your hard drive, and be happy with your legacy sim of choice?

Agreed. This community baffles me.

People will just accept any old junk.

On 12/25/2024 at 6:02 AM, MrBitstFlyer said:

Which is more or less what I said!

I beg to differ. You said that " XP12 with SimHeaven and Global Forest is good enough for a satisfying sim". What I'm saying is that MS2024 (and MS2020) real-world streamed scenery is WAY beyond -- no-comparison beyond -- XP12. This is not a subjective judgement; 2020/2024 affords us an entirely new experience that no fake scenery, however well-drawn, can come close to matching. When I fly over my hometown in XP-12 or FSX I see buildings and streets that look nice but bear no relation whatever to the real community. My neighborhood is nowhere to be seen, and for me this is no longer satisfying. Simming is in a new era.

Edited December 26, 20241 yr by cobalt

On 12/25/2024 at 6:16 AM, RobJC said:

MS/Asobo are just rank amateurs.

Maybe... but they have created one heck of a nice sim, that I fly often..  And this time around, they said they would reduce the footprint of the sim, make better use of modern hardware, and update the lighting engine...  and delivered just that. Are there bugs.. yes there are, and like you, I believe they will get them fixed over time. 🙂

Edited December 26, 20241 yr by Bert Pieke