12 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Video tricks and  editing.  

🤣

I think you may be under the incorrect assumption that all photogrammetry areas have been updated. This is not correct. The graphics updates are mostly noticeable in non-photogrammetry regions due to the greatly increased polygon count on ground textures, better dem in multiple regions, updated biomes including fully rendered trees, bushes, flora and of course... pebbles. 

5 hours ago, LRBS said:

The videos above are in 2K resolution. At 4K, even with a 9800x3D and a 4090 video card, 96 GB of memory, and a well-tweaked system, some stuttering will still occur on max settings in MS2024, even without a complex aircraft. In all these videos, there is constant movement left/right and in/out of the aircraft, and this micro-stuttering is not noticeable. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to get a good assessment due to this wrong mentality that everything is ok. 

I got an intel 9900k (overclocked a tad, but not much) with a 3090 gfx card and 64GB of memory and I run 2024 at 4k on ultra (which to be fair might not be "max" settings, I havent bumped up LODs to max I don't think it's just on whatever Asobo thought the default ultra was) and I have noticed stuttering on precisely one flight of the 50 or so I've done since 2024 released (was a flight in mumbai, the first flight after the big patch was released a couple weeks ago).  It's smooth like butter, and I've flown in all the areas that are a stutterfest for me in 2020, London, LA, NYC...

Could it be that there is some subtle micro stuttering that Isn't noticeable?  I guess, but I don't know why I would worry about a thing like that.

It also could be that my wimpy 9900 cpu isn't throwing so much data at my gfx card that it isn't bogging down.  the vram in the 3090 is plenty, and I just finished replacing the original shroud and cooling fans on the gfx card with some honking big Noctuas, so perhaps it was thermal throttling in 2020 before I did that.  It's possible there are some NVidia 4000 series features that are misbehaving that I don't have to worry about.  I also haven't updated my gfx drivers for about a year.  

but whatever, guys.  believe what you want.  dudes have made videos and have just been pooped on here, so I'm going to zero lengths to help y'all work this out.  The OP can call me a liar if he wants.  I got no reason to though.  Have a great rest of the holidays.

I will just make some final points:

- 2024 could be the real sim, but I simply don’t see it now. There’s a reason why the ratings are universally dismal.

- Someone made the point on this forum that MSFS 2020 is a good looking sim with a stable performance (I agree). The visuals are just as good in 2020 as they are in 2024, and 2020’tends to be more gentle and forgiving on your PC on higher settings. The last thing I would do is buy another $3500 computer just to fly 2024. 

- But I really love surprises, maybe Asobo can turn it around and deliver a magnificent looking sim with acceptable performance. It is not the case now.

- I respect those who prefer 2024, though they still have to making a compelling case as to why 2024 is superior other than to say the trees are shorter and the clouds look more realistic. Of note, I took a flight from Bogota, Colombia, in 2024, and the horrible scenery was just as bad in 2024 as is in 2020.

All to say, why start over with a new sim when the differences are negligible? 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Sólo haré algunos puntos finales:

- 2024 podría ser la simulación real, pero simplemente no lo veo ahora. Hay una razón por la que las calificaciones son universalmente desalentadoras.

- Alguien dijo en este foro que MSFS 2020 es un simulador atractivo con un rendimiento estable (estoy de acuerdo). Las imágenes son tan buenas en 2020 como en 2024, y 2020 tiende a ser más suave y tolerante en tu PC con configuraciones más altas. Lo último que haría sería comprar otra computadora de $3500 solo para volar en 2024. 

- Pero me encantan las sorpresas, tal vez Asobo pueda darle la vuelta a la situación y ofrecer un simulador de aspecto magnífico con un rendimiento aceptable. Ahora no es el caso.

- Respeto a quienes prefieren el año 2024, aunque todavía tienen que presentar argumentos convincentes de por qué el año 2024 es superior, más allá de decir que los árboles son más bajos y las nubes parecen más realistas. Cabe destacar que tomé un vuelo desde Bogotá, Colombia, en 2024, y el paisaje horrible fue tan malo en 2024 como en 2020.

En resumen, ¿por qué empezar de nuevo con un nuevo Sim cuando las diferencias son insignificantes? 

 

 

 

I remember Asobo saying that 2024 was going to run better on the same hardware than 2020, from what I read and the RAM requirements I understand that is not the case.

With MFS many types of gamers have emerged, most of the ones I read around here that are enjoying 2024 are not what I call "hard simers". There is nothing wrong with that everyone has fun as they want but as of FL40 all those supposed revolution of 2024 are unimportant, at a lower altitude I am busy enough to get busy to see if the facade of my brother in law's house at the exit of track 10 of LEAL is well represented.

31 minutes ago, Huascar said:

- I respect those who prefer 2024, though they still have to making a compelling case as to why 2024 is superior other than to say the trees are shorter and the clouds look more realistic. Of note, I took a flight from Bogota, Colombia, in 2024, and the horrible scenery was just as bad in 2024 as is in 2020.

It's becasue 2020 and 2024 use the same photogrammetry. South America, in general, is something they are addressing in the next World Update. I think it focuses on Brazil but I'm not sure what other regions.

34 minutes ago, Huascar said:

- But I really love surprises, maybe Asobo can turn it around and deliver a magnificent looking sim with acceptable performance. It is not the case now.

Indeed not. However, it has improved over the first month. SU1 in Q1 next year, especially if they keep their promise to have beta releases should improve things a lot. MS/Asobo have no choice but to buckle down and fix the issues. MS isn't going to go "my bad" and pull a Men in Black and whipe FS24 from our memories.

2 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

With MFS many types of gamers have emerged, most of the ones I read around here that are enjoying 2024 are not what I call "hard simers".

There is evidence to the contrary. First, I'd say anyone who is a regular on this forum likely falls into the hard simmer category. We may not take it to the same level of seriousness, but we are all devoted to the flight sim hobby. In a lot of game spaces there is an ongoing debate on "casual" and "hard core" players. The "casuals" are looked on with some disdain by the "hardcore" who are what they consider to be the real players. Anyone who posts regularly on Avsim can't be considered casual. We don't get any of the "LOL I landed a a380 in a regional airport" crowd. 

I am a hard simmer who follows real world proceedures, uses the charts, etc. I also enjoy FS24. Captain Piet, who makes fantastic videos is a hard simmer.  

I am not going to say FS24 has been a fantastic experience. That would be a lie. The current state is why I caution against folks moving over now. I have noticed if an airport was "a tad heavy on frames" in FS2020, it's a rough go in 2024.

That said, if there was a decent 737 in FS24 I could switch over full time. I do fly the Fenix most often and so I do fly in 2024 more than I do FS20. I try and look at life through a postive lens because being negative isn't good for my mental health. I am happy there are two sims I enjoy flying and can bounce back and forth to. I also only got the Standard Edition. I can treat 24 like it's a 3rd party airplane I want to fly since it's about what I paid for the iFLY Max.

8 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

With MFS many types of gamers have emerged, most of the ones I read around here that are enjoying 2024 are not what I call "hard simers".

Not sure if they are "hard dimmers", or not, but they seem to support their argument for 2024 on better and more realistic scenery. Compared side-by-side in a series of videos, not sure one can appreciate significant differences between the two except for the lighting in 2024 appears a bit more vibrant.

7 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

I try and look at life through a postive lens because being negative isn't good for my mental health. I am happy there are two sims I enjoy flying and can bounce back and forth to. I also only got the Standard Edition.

Being positive is a good thing, but some are truly in denial. To suggest 2024 is so amazing that they won't ever go back to 2020 is almost comical, and perhaps even fanatical.

2 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Being positive is a good thing, but some are truly in denial. To suggest 2024 is so amazing that they won't ever go back to 2020 is almost comical, and perhaps even fanatical.

As long as "my" airplanes (737 + madddog) are not compatible with FS24, FS2020 will remain my main platform. 
the same is for Prosim 738 in my full homecockpit. for "funflights" with AVRO and small VFR-Planes FS24 is Ok at this time.

38 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

most of the ones I read around here that are enjoying 2024 are not what I call "hard simers".

You're wrong, very wrong.

4 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Being positive is a good thing, but some are truly in denial. To suggest 2024 is so amazing that they won't ever go back to 2020 is almost comical, and perhaps even fanatical.

As the great philospher Obi-Wan Kenobi said, "It's true, from a certain point of view." I will say there are fanatics on both sides of this debate. The 2020 vs. 2024 battles make the Fenix vs PMDG battles of yore seem quite tame. 

That people have different experiences and tolerances than other people doesn't negate or invalidate their experiences. You have said people who post videos on how well 2024 is running on their systems are falsifying the videos. If someone said they find 2024 so amazing they won't switch back to 2020 it's not their job to prove why, nor other people's job to call them fanatics.

I do enjoy FS24 more than 2020. This week I am going to run 2024 solely and make note of my findings. Since launch I have completed 40 flights in 24 and 14 in 2020. A gap in my data collection is flights that I failed to complete. I am making a note now for flights that failed to complete due to a sim error.

1 hour ago, Huascar said:

I took a flight from Bogota, Colombia, in 2024, and the horrible scenery was just as bad in 2024 as is in 2020.

I thought I was the only one thinking that some locations were word-not-allowed. That explains why even setting TLOD=4000000000 does not help at all for my flights. I mean, sometimes I find better ground detail in these locations by downgrading to FSX+Orbx Global Base+Vector.

46 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

It's becasue 2020 and 2024 use the same photogrammetry. South America, in general, is something they are addressing in the next World Update. I think it focuses on Brazil but I'm not sure what other regions.

Well, gotta wait until MSFS2032 then 😢

2 hours ago, Luis Hernandez said:

I thought I was the only one thinking that some locations were word-not-allowed. That explains why even setting TLOD=4000000000 does not help at all for my flights. I mean, sometimes I find better ground detail in these locations by downgrading to FSX+Orbx Global Base+Vector.

Well, gotta wait until MSFS2032 then 😢

You're not the only one.  Post patch the terrain is worse.  It's marbleized almost.  Not sure how to describe it.  It's not blurry, it's just rounded and shiny almost.  The stutters are still present as well, just not the huge lag spikes we saw prior to the latest patch.  This is with frames around 50.

I don't think this is due to streaming.  This is the core sim and it needs fixing badly.  

14 hours ago, ShawnG said:

so I'm going to zero lengths to help y'all work this out. 

You and your followers reveal your true colors. PATHETIC.

7 hours ago, SierraDelta said:

You're wrong, very wrong.

No they're not, it is a lot things missing from MS2024 for the hardcore simmers and in some aspect MS 2020 too but believe what you want. Carry on.

Edited December 28, 20241 yr by JBDB-MD80