5 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

have i9 13900KF but with RTX4090 no stutters whatsoever. What about your internet speed? I have about 200+ mbps

Your hardware must be very fortunate, and even exceptional if you experience no stutters at all. As long as there’s flight simulation, there will always be stutters because we keep demanding better scenery and highly dynamic add-ons.  My stutters are dependent on TLOD and other setting parameters. Both simulators are very unpredictable when it comes to stutters and bad performance. There have been days when I complete a flight with minimal or no stutters. Next day, same flight, a stutter fest. I have 1000 mbps of internet speed, not an issue here. By the way, I have had stutters even at 45 FPS. 

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by Huascar

3 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Your hardware must be very fortunate, and even exceptional if you experience no stutters at all. As long as there’s flight simulation, there will always be stutters because we keep demanding better scenery and highly dynamic add-ons.  My stutters are dependent on TLOD and other setting parameters. Both simulators are very unpredictable when it comes to stutters and bad performance. There have been days when I complete a flight with minimal or no stutters. Next day, same flight, a stutter fest. I have 1000 mbps of internet speed, non internet speed is not issue here. By the way, I have had stutters even at 45 FPS. 

I have stutters and/or microstutters at 120fps

 

I think my stutters are mostly when a large chunk of data is slow to load in and the micro's are maybe something in the way of the flow.

 

Truth is that there is probably 10,000 reasons why this could be happening, game related and/or not games related. why it happens to me might be different then why it happens to you.

 

For me it's been an evolutionary improvement, not a revolutionary one.

 

I guess it's something we still have to live with for the now. I have hopes for the 5090, but I'll wait and see because I have no complaints with my 4090.

1 hour ago, robert young said:

They don't need many testers.

That may well be the case. Outsiders usually impossibly can't tell, what the issue was. It could be testing. But it could as well be, that the internal bug logging tool is full with issues (which means that the testing department did a great job) and that they simply did not have enough manpower to fix them all. As I said, only people who have been working on the project could tell which of the two happened (or one of several other possibilities that would result in the same outcome).

4 minutes ago, laserit said:

guess it's something we still have to live with for the now. I have hopes for the 5090, but I'll wait and see because I have no complaints with my 4090.

Your argument makes sense.
 

Those who had the the 1000 series had hopes that the 2000 series was going to fix the problem. We’re now in the 4000 series and there’s no end in sight. 

2 hours ago, wiejag said:

I used teleportation in free flight with FStarter 24 until it was turned off. Today I noticed that, again, FStarter allows quick location changes. 

Thanks

Interestingly FStarter was working for me even before the patch (right click where you want to be placed)

2 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Your argument makes sense.
 

Those who had the the 1000 series had hopes that the 2000 series was going to fix the problem. We’re now in the 4000 series and there’s no end in sight. 

A 4090 might be able to handle things fine but it might not get the data fast enough? who knows, certainly not me.

 

I have a TrackIR with a G-sync 5120x1440 top of the line  HDR monitor and I'm amazed at how fast and smooth it pans. If you think about it... My system is constantly making up for my head movement and translating it on the screen along with everything else it's doing. For how smooth it is, it's amazing to anything I have experienced until now.

 

My overall experience is awesome.

57 minutes ago, John71 said:

I know 🙂  I've never seen so much hysterical crying about a sim and no end in sight..... lol  

Wander over to the trainsim world community 1 day....  Especially after TSW announced that Thomas and friends were coming into the sim.....

 It's the apocalypse! 

I don't get this addon's not working in 2024, all bar one airport , all the rest has transferred over fine, Active Sky is fine, RAAS works fine, Fenix and FBW's A380 both work fine as well, Yes there's no PMDG, nor Ifly. etc, etc. Another note, i have yet to see one CTD, and that includes a 6.5hr flight from KJFK-EGLL in the A380. (You couldn't do that for near a year in 2020, as you were certainly going to ctd in that period)

47 minutes ago, Huascar said:

Your hardware must be very fortunate, and even exceptional if you experience no stutters at all. As long as there’s flight simulation, there will always be stutters because we keep demanding better scenery and highly dynamic add-ons.  My stutters are dependent on TLOD and other setting parameters. Both simulators are very unpredictable when it comes to stutters and bad performance. There have been days when I complete a flight with minimal or no stutters. Next day, same flight, a stutter fest. I have 1000 mbps of internet speed, not an issue here. By the way, I have had stutters even at 45 FPS. 

When I get to my PC I'll make a screenshot of my MSFS 2024 setting, just to compare

1 hour ago, John71 said:

I know 🙂  I've never seen so much hysterical crying about a sim and no end in sight..... lol  

Really?

So you must have missed CyberPunk 2077, or Star Wars TOR, or Fallout 76, or No Man's Sky, or Final Fantasy, or ...  At the end of the day, the only difference between this fiasco and those fiascos is that those players where outraged and DEMADED fixes and got it. That's versus FS 2024 where you apologize to the developers and blame the players.

21 minutes ago, Simselli said:

I don't get this addon's not working in 2024, all bar one airport , all the rest has transferred over fine, Active Sky is fine, RAAS works fine, Fenix and FBW's A380 both work fine as well, Yes there's no PMDG, nor Ifly. etc, etc. Another note, i have yet to see one CTD, and that includes a 6.5hr flight from KJFK-EGLL in the A380. (You couldn't do that for near a year in 2020, as you were certainly going to ctd in that period)

I personally have never experienced such a smooth transition and I've experienced them all.

 

And I'm far more happy with my 2yr old 4090 and 2024 than I was with my brand new 3090 when 2020 came out.

1 hour ago, Mike T said:

Really?

So you must have missed CyberPunk 2077, or Star Wars TOR, or Fallout 76, or No Man's Sky, or Final Fantasy, or ...  At the end of the day, the only difference between this fiasco and those fiascos is that those players where outraged and DEMADED fixes and got it. That's versus FS 2024 where you apologize to the developers and blame the players.

Except.....

I suspect that in the end, MSFS is a FAR more ambitious and complex project.

Weather from one source, navdata from another, realtime aircraft data from yet another, not to mention real-time ship traffic from yet another entirely; pretty much all the world's airports, intermixed with computer-placed models and photogrammetry and world orthophotos.... now with details down to the ground level... Worldwide multiplayer across multiple platforms.... all being streamed and synthesized together in real time....

Then throw in hundreds of addons from gosh knows how many different companies, some usurping internal processes to add nice but perhaps unaccounted for functionalities, at a pace best described as willy-nilly....

What crazy company signed up to try that shi- Uh... nonsense?

All for an audience of eager and impatient all-or-nothing absolutists notorious for historically expecting complete perfection (as if that even exists) and more than willing to enthusiastically gather up some (always handy) torches and pitchforks at the drop of a hat.

Honestly, I've always been pretty much astonished that what Asobo/microsoft has attempted works at all. I realize some of the obstacles, and I'm pretty grateful that it does as good as it does.

Yup! I realize I'm (apparently) not in the majority for giving the developers some slack, but I also keep in mind how often people don't realize what they've had, until they've frittered it away and it's gone.....

We better hope Asobo stays resolute in pushing through with this project.

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by HiFlyer

4 hours ago, LRBS said:

a) We aren't discussing enjoying the sim here; once again, you’re clearly trying to divert attention from the topic. We're discussing the incompetence of ASOBO's management and the ineptitude of the programmers.

 

b) There are no exaggerated claims about the abundance of the bugs unless you choose to do so. 

 

d) Unfortunately, you are so out of touch to say that issues related to the case of the flight control settings, the basic/core requirement that is so broken, are not experience-breaking bugs. It is beyond any belief.

 

You are free to opine about Asobo, and we are free to opine on your opinions...welcome to internet discussion forums.

The exaggerations and hyperbole I and others are taking about is *not* about the specific issues some are seeing (that was a nice attempt at deflection btw). We are taking about the obvious hyperbole getting thrown around here on this thread and elsewhere.

And re: d), LOL, oh so you are now going to speak for those of us who are not experiencing as bad the issues that some others are? Stick to your lane rather than trying to characterize my experience. And if you haven't clued in already, some of us are able to understand the control settings (badly designed or not they may be), and are therefore able to not let it be an experience breaker for us.

6 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Post after post with issues about 2024 since day one all over the internet, users moving from 2024 back to 2020,

You’ve got both, you’ve also got post after post talking about its great flight experience and skies. Steam reviews moved from overwhelmingly negative to mixed very quickly, so clearly you’ve got a balance of both.

Youve just decided that the negative ones support your decision to stay with 2020, so they’re the ones you’ll believe and amplify. After all, you wouldn’t want to be wrong, would you?

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by scotchegg

1 hour ago, Mike T said:

or ...  At the end of the day, the only difference between this fiasco and those fiascos is that those players where outraged and DEMADED fixes and got it. That's versus FS 2024 where you apologize to the developers and blame the players

You’re right, if there’s one thing the flight sim community lacks, its people expressing outrage and demanding fixes.