24 minutes ago, MrBitstFlyer said:

See what I mean about those who get over emotional?  Just fly those aircraft that work fine in 2024 or just load up 2020 in the meantime.

Why should I? I was assured by Asobo that ALL my planes would work! Why didn't they tell me which ones wouldn't? EDiT. I've not the space for both sims. And yes, when it comes to being deceived, I get over emotional.

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by jarmstro

1 hour ago, kerosene31 said:

Incorrect.  Only thing that is broken is career mode.  That obviosuly does not work (and was obvious after trying 1 mission).  I use the flight planner regularly (the official site, not sure if that's different from the planner).  

Now, I'm not flying complex airliners, that's another obvious "should stick with 2020" for those point.  

ATC and AI traffic - when did those ever work (stock) in 2020?  I mean A330s at St Barths has been an issue in both sims.  

And how do you use the flight planner? Do you set 100% fuel just to make sure you get to destination? There is no fuel planning and the routes it generates are also incorrect. Another half-baked feature.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/sorry-but-the-efb-flight-planner-is-useless/692984

ATC and AI traffic - I didn't say that they worked in 2020, only that promised were made to improve them. The ATC has regressed instead, it repeats continuously to climb to cruise altitude when you are already descending to destination, despite a complete FP with STARs is correctly filed with the ATC. Its window has ridiculously big fonts that cannot be resized and it always stops halfway instead of showing the last message of the sequence.

As for the AI traffic it's the usual chaos with aircraft taking off in all directions and overlapping on the taxiways. Also, where are the airline liveries? Where are the contrails and the lights after 2 months of buggy AI traffic? Why do the majority of the aircraft are called "generic" by the ATC? Another regression.

I could continue but everything is well documented already...

 

 

So I just loaded 2024. Sitting at LAX doing nothing and it restarts my PC. Nice job Asobo! 

38 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

Those bloggers and influencer's who got invited to the grand canyon. The gamer guys and the VR guys especially all lied through their teeth and got paid to do so. If there experience of MSFS2024 was generally the same or worse than ours (how could it be otherwise) Then they plain and simple lied. Typically you have to pay people to lie.

34 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

I don't know if they lied, a lot of press release content is done so in a sanitize and controlled environment where everything has the appearance of working fine. Companies do this all the time. The influencers most likely just simply told us what they saw, it wasn't a lie (This is my assumption based on company practice) but more asobo Microsoft just showed them the appearance of everything working.

A perfect example of hyperbole vs reason. Many of us seem to cling to the first.

1 hour ago, Bobsk8 said:

Once 2024 is ready for prime time, I will reconsider, but it isn't there yet, that's for sure. 

You have no clue. You don't have the sim, but believe to know how it is. You are a victim of your own confirmation bias. There are plenty reports, reviews, opinions that are positive. Like e.g. the following one. I challenge everybody to tell any other default aircraft out there in any sim, that will provide a better simming experience:

 

10 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

Those bloggers and influencer's who got invited to the grand canyon. The gamer guys and the VR guys especially all lied through their teeth and got paid to do so. If there experience of MSFS2024 was generally the same or worse than ours (how could it be otherwise) Then they plain and simple lied. Typically you have to pay people to lie.

"Gamers and VR experts in particular have all lied about it"

I didn't buy FS24 on November 19th I knew from my experience that it wouldn't live up to my expectations

However, I had set aside my evening to follow the event on social media and YouTube. Moreover, on this one too, the live influencers were in total panic, nothing was working,that was it game over! It was a very sad evening!. Even here on avsim it was sad! My favorite comedian had disappeared. I see him less since then, he talks a lot less about FS24 marketing now. I think I saw him today. He was in the middle of trying to play a joke. It's a shame! He makes me laugh so much!

2 hours ago, jkeyeuk said:

Gdzie jest dostępna taka opcja? Ja jej nie widzę.

I used teleportation in free flight with FStarter 24 until it was turned off. Today I noticed that, again, FStarter allows quick location changes. 

38 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

Why should I? I was assured by Asobo that ALL my planes would work!

No, they said MOST addons will work. Given that most addons are airports, and the majority of them is fine, that means they were correct.

45 minutes ago, jarmstro said:

And yes, when it comes to being deceived, I get over emotional.

Like I said, get it refunded and come back when its in a state you're more happy with. Parting a company with money is a pretty reliable way to make your message clear.

That's all there really is to it, going back and forth on avsim is a lot less effective then just getting a refund and using the sim you prefer in the mean time.

3 hours ago, MrFuzzy said:

Imagine that you buy a new car, it doesn't work, and you are told to enjoy your old car instead of being a crybaby and complain about the malfunction of the new one.

It doesn't work??? MSFS2024 works alright here.

18 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

They don't have a large enough testing team. We know that from MSFS 2020. They would probably have to hire a hundred more full time testers, probably even more. But a hundred more full time testers would cost a lot of money.  That's probably how that white screen avionics bug slipped through their testing.

 

They don't need many testers. They just need a few staff, each of which has a specific area to test. But the crux is to simply start the sim, load a scenario and check the Interface, control and other menus then fly just a short flight at various locations in various weathers. It really doesn't take that long. But more crucially it is clear (as it was in FS2020) that many devs on the team are not checking their own work.

They need a lead tester who is methodical, thorough and has a proper influence on outcomes after bugs are discovered. It cannot be possible that they are releasing the sim and its updates without noticing what everyone else is noticing. The same applied to FS2020.

16 minutes ago, fsiscool said:

No, they said MOST addons will work. Given that most addons are airports, and the majority of them is fine, that means they were correct.

That wasn't the impression they gave. Why didn't they say most 'airports'?

3 minutes ago, robert young said:

They don't need many testers. They just need a few staff, each of which has a specific area to test. But the crux is to simply start the sim, load a scenario and check the Interface, control and other menus then fly just a short flight at various locations in various weathers. It really doesn't take that long. But more crucially it is clear (as it was in FS2020) that many devs on the team are not checking their own work.

They need a lead tester who is methodical, thorough and has a proper influence on outcomes after bugs are discovered. It cannot be possible that they are releasing the sim and its updates without noticing what everyone else is noticing. The same applied to FS2020.

Precisely, remember when they released POIs with a LOD so bad they wouldn't show up until you flew right on top of them? Devils Tower and The White Cliffs Of Dover two prime examples, took an update weeks/months later to rectify. Why did the person who made the POIs not even test them in game!?! Beggars belief and that's just one of hundreds of examples.

It's shoddy workmanship, end of.

10 hours ago, MarcG said:

They have a Quality Assurance Team, that's enough to warrant a proper examination of patches before release with a set list of objectives to test, child's play to any competent games studio and one that should be for Asobo after 22 years of existence.

A QA team can do a lot, but they still can't test everything!

Even for Diablo 4, they had an open beta on multiple weekends because the QA team couldn't test everything and Blizzard needed the help of the Diablo community to help test Diablo 4.

And there is one crucial point that you miss about MSFS that separates it from other games, including Diablo 4. Not only is MSFS multiplayer, which increases the complexity, but it is open to working with external add-ons, which increases the complexity drastically.

Diablo 4, and also other types of MMORPGs are closed and don't have to work with external add-ons. It's much easier to test for those. And despite being easier to test for, I can tell you that Diablo 4's QA team couldn't do it all and required the help of the public.

 

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by abrams_tank

50 minutes ago, MrFuzzy said:

And how do you use the flight planner? Do you set 100% fuel just to make sure you get to destination? There is no fuel planning and the routes it generates are also incorrect. Another half-baked feature.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/sorry-but-the-efb-flight-planner-is-useless/692984

ATC and AI traffic - I didn't say that they worked in 2020, only that promised were made to improve them. The ATC has regressed instead, it repeats continuously to climb to cruise altitude when you are already descending to destination, despite a complete FP with STARs is correctly filed with the ATC. Its window has ridiculously big fonts that cannot be resized and it always stops halfway instead of showing the last message of the sequence.

As for the AI traffic it's the usual chaos with aircraft taking off in all directions and overlapping on the taxiways. Also, where are the airline liveries? Where are the contrails and the lights after 2 months of buggy AI traffic? Why do the majority of the aircraft are called "generic" by the ATC? Another regression.

I could continue but everything is well documented already...

 

 

So, we need 3rd party addons to give us a more realistic option?  How is that any different from 2020?  We moved quickly from bugs to missing features.

I'm not telling people they are wrong about 2024, I'm asking why not stick with 2020 until more addons get updated?  

I'm not arguing one over the other, but arguing why are people banging their heads against a wall repeatedly just to complain how hard the bricks are?