1 hour ago, Warlocc said:

Some do, in free flight well above the ground, sure. So maybe 30% of our 200 USD game? Not really a bragging point, unfortunately.

Also, that's not one of them. Have you tried using the autopilot on that? It's broken, too.

Yes many time. I'm doing all kind of stuff on Ultra and some places frankly look like amazing level of details

 

Note: I prior purchasing 2024 I upgraded my ram to 64G. I'm not saying that folks who get stutter 32G has to do the same, Asobo need to fix stutter. But on my side I don't have stutters at all. I think upgrading 64G was a good investment for me and relatively cheap comparing with GPU or CPU!

Just now, sd_flyer said:

I prior purchasing 2024 I upgraded my ram to 64G. I'm not saying that folks who get stutter 32G has to do the same, Asobo need to fix stutter. But on my side I don't have stutters at all.

I fly on High settings in 32 GB.. no stutters, and typically <80% memory usage..

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

They don't have a large enough testing team.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, JRBarrett said:

This has always been a problem since 2020 released 4 years ago.

I understand that, for you, this is a valid reason, regardless of the outcome. It's not just that they made poor decisions by releasing a product with so many bugs or that bugs were carried over from a previous version. It's a total disregard towards the customer and this hobby. The customer is not interested in knowing how big the testing team is, how many people are working, etc. It's all about the product. The unfortunate bottom line here is that the obvious truth remains clear: bad decisions and poor programming, no matter what excuses people try to offer. You would expect much more after four years of the same MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR on almost the same platform. 

And Jim, I'm sure you don't run your business based on "excuses"; certainly, you operate based on expertise and dedication. 

 

30 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

I fly on High settings in 32 GB.. no stutters, and typically <80% memory usage..

Totally agree. I use the nVidia app to optimize 2024 settings and just tweak those a bit, usually running the sim at slightly higher quality (again as recommended by the app). I figure that there's a good chance that the Asobo and nVidia engineers know more about their systems than I do. No stutters so far either. Performance is at least as good as in 2020, and the sim looks simply amazing.

I'm sure that there are many ways that I can mess this up, and no doubt I will discover them over time. I don't want to suggest that there aren't major issues that need to be addressed (the mandatory walk around is one of those), and there are parts of the UI that seem obtuse at best, but I'll get used to those. There's just so much to work with here, it'll take me until well past SU 4 to run out of things to enjoy.

 

I've been fine with 32gb as well, granted I'm not flying the really complex addons, mostly GA stuff.  Left all my stutters behind in 2020.

My sim updated just fine.  

Anyway I just wanted to give a little advice:

-Are people running addons that modify default files?  If so, those are likely to get changed by an update and maybe even cause other problems.  As soon as I see an update that does anything outside of the community folder, I stop.  That stuff can come back later when things settle down. If you are going to edit default files, you need to be very careful (or just wait).  I've seen a lot of neat addons on dot to that I skip because of this.

-If you install a bunch of addons and then the sim updates, something can break.  This is supposedly a tiny hotfix (but the size is a question).  Nobody could possibly test the sim plus the countless addons out there.  This is especially true early on.  2020 went through the same thing.  Remember emptying our community folders each and every update?  We might need to go back to that at for larger updates.  

-The more minimal you keep your sim, the better off you will be.  

 

there seem to be more fixes than that little they mention in the change log for x-box only. some badly needed night light flicker in VR seems fixed.

 

2 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Yes many time. I'm doing all kind of stuff on Ultra and some places frankly look like amazing level of details

 

Note: I prior purchasing 2024 I upgraded my ram to 64G. I'm not saying that folks who get stutter 32G has to do the same, Asobo need to fix stutter. But on my side I don't have stutters at all. I think upgrading 64G was a good investment for me and relatively cheap comparing with GPU or CPU!

Very nice pics, how did you attach your pics? Is there some hidden attachment button

21 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

Very nice pics, how did you attach your pics? Is there some hidden attachment button

I have my place where I can host

3 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

3 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

do the same, Asobo need to fix stutter. But on my side I don't have stutters at all.

I fly on High settings in 32 GB.. no stutters, and typically <80% memory usage..

When I ordered my Alienware, I ordered 128gb of RAM. I think it was a waste of money as I don’t think I use half of that. I still get stutters. They will never end. 

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by Huascar

20 minutes ago, Huascar said:

When I ordered my Alienware, I ordered 128gb of RAM. I think it was a waste of money as I don’t think I use half of that. I still get stutters. They will never end. 

What video card do you have and CPU?

55 minutes ago, Huascar said:

When I ordered my Alienware, I ordered 128gb of RAM. I think it was a waste of money as I don’t think I use half of that. I still get stutters. They will never end. 

What are your PC specs, including the monitor?

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by LRBS

10 hours ago, Ed_S_Pilot said:

Hmm,  Mine was 3.3GB

Hi,

Mine also, 3.3GB.

Cheers

 

Some time ago I said flight simmers are the biggest crybabies I've ever seen and that continues to hold true lol. We know SU 1 is coming so why are we getting bent out of shape over one problem being fixed in the meantime?

8 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

They don't have a large enough testing team. We know that from MSFS 2020. They would probably have to hire a hundred more full time testers, probably even more. But a hundred more full time testers would cost a lot of money.  That's probably how that white screen avionics bug slipped through their testing.

They have a Quality Assurance Team, that's enough to warrant a proper examination of patches before release with a set list of objectives to test, child's play to any competent games studio and one that should be for Asobo after 22 years of existence. Then they have Microsoft, you're telling me they don't have testing possibilities!? They are, quite factually, terrible at Quality Control and no amount of excuses will hide that fact.

 

8 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

For this reason, that's why we have Sim Updates and the public beta test, so the community can help test in the public beta during the Sim Update testing period. The Sim Updates and the community helping to test the Sim Updates in the public beta, save Microsoft from having to hire an additional one hundred full time testers.

Well again other games studios have developed very good public betas, something again that is failing with this company/MS. It's painfully obvious to those of us who can see the wood for the trees, again though that does not excuse the fact that updates are continuously riddled with regression issues. Even after those "flight" periods as they call them, SUs still get released with bugs found and reproduced during that very testing period, it's shoddy plain and simple.

 

8 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

But nobody wants to wait for a proper Sim Update for the most severe bugs to be fixed. Hence, the MSFS team are caught in cycle of needing to release a hotfix for the most severe bugs, not having enough testers to ensure the quality  of their hot fix is good and doesn't cause more bugs (ie. whitescreen avionics), and people in the community who are impatient and don't want to wait for a proper Sim Update where the testing is more thorough by the community during the public beta.

They're caught here by the atrocious release, so it's their own fault. They need to release many patches before the first Sim Update IMO, just like other studios do. 

Again, having been in the gaming world since the 80s, having spent a decent amount of time beta testing various games & simulations over decades, having been involved with various Early Access style titles, I can categorically state that this current team/management is the worst I have ever witnessed when it comes to A) Quality Control from the developer and B) Public Beta Testing Periods. It's a crying shame they've learnt nothing, absolutely nothing with regards to those areas in 4+years.

I still find it incredible that they can create something so brilliant, but be so blatantly rubbish at the same time!

No settings were changed for me with this hotfix. 

No stutters either. DLSS 'Performance' sems to be the sweet spot for my system.