2 hours ago, Huascar said:

As long as there’s flight simulation, there will always be stutters because we keep demanding better scenery and highly dynamic add-ons.

I think you are right on... and if you are determined to push the sim to the very edge, you will get stutters, regardless of hardware.  At that point, you have a decision to make:

- Back off your settings to where you experience smooth flight and enjoy the experience,

or go to the Forums and complain about problems with the sim... It really is that simple 🫢

2 hours ago, Bigmack said:

What do Asobo have to do with your computer restarting? Maybe there's a problem with your computer? I've not seen any other posts stating that 2024 is causing their computer to restart.

Search harder. Lots of people are complaining about this debacle crashing their PCs.

1 hour ago, lwt1971 said:

 

You are free to opine about Asobo, and we are free to opine on your opinions...welcome to internet discussion forums.

The exaggerations and hyperbole I and others are taking about is *not* about the specific issues some are seeing (that was a nice attempt at deflection btw). We are taking about the obvious hyperbole getting thrown around here on this thread and elsewhere.

And re: d), LOL, oh so you are now going to speak for those of us who are not experiencing as bad the issues that some others are? Stick to your lane rather than trying to characterize my experience. And if you haven't clued in already, some of us are able to understand the control settings (badly designed or not they may be), and are therefore able to not let it be an experience breaker for us.

Again, you cannot admit the reality or the complaints people make. Those are just issues all over the internet.

 

Of course, I will question your experience when it appears that you can't understand how important it is to be able to adjust and save your flight control systems, only to discover after a restart that they are reset like many other settings in many menus. Do you accuse people of having these issues to be clueless? So many? That's why we have so many YouTube videos trying to sort it out without success, and even the makers of these videos acknowledge the problem.

There are so many issues with this software.

Do I understand that selling a product with so many flaws is acceptable? Should we remain silent about our dissatisfaction after finding so many issues? Is this your approach? You act as though it’s normal for someone to take your hard-earned money and sell you such buggy software. 

Get real, please. 

Edited January 10, 20251 yr by LRBS

3 hours ago, Mike T said:

Really?

So you must have missed CyberPunk 2077, or Star Wars TOR, or Fallout 76, or No Man's Sky, or Final Fantasy, or ...  At the end of the day, the only difference between this fiasco and those fiascos is that those players where outraged and DEMADED fixes and got it. That's versus FS 2024 where you apologize to the developers and blame the players.

There there,  it we be ok......

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

Search harder. Lots of people are complaining about this debacle crashing their PCs.

I read that people have had CTD in certain situations before the updates, but I never read when anyone's computer shut down and restarted during the use of 2024. And if your computer is shutting down and restarting during 2024 usage, then Asobo has nothing to do with your hardware issues. That's all on you.

19 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

I read that people have had CTD in certain situations before the updates, but I never read when anyone's computer shut down and restarted during the use of 2024.

https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/whole-pc-is-crashing/666099

4 hours ago, Mike T said:

So you must have missed CyberPunk 2077, or Star Wars TOR, or Fallout 76, or No Man's Sky, or Final Fantasy, or ...  At the end of the day, the only difference between this fiasco and those fiascos is that those players where outraged and DEMADED fixes and got it. That's versus FS 2024 where you apologize to the developers and blame the players.

1) About the games; still haven’t bought Star Wars TOR as it’s not polished enough for me yet, I bought Fallout 76 at launch as I was a moderate fan of the series and was interested in seeing it with multiplayer, absolute disaster, shelved it and came back a couple of years later and had a fair bit of fun with it. Cyberpunk is different for me. I’m a big fan of the genre generally, and was blown away by the original concept trailer. As CDPR were doing it I knew it would be spacial, and I wanted it to be a special experience, so I waited until conditions were right to play it. I waited until the bugs were gone, I had a good rig, and a screen with HDR to get the most out of the neon. Absolutely the right decision for me, and so I didn’t get round to it until 3 years after launch, and 170hrs into probably my favourite ever gaming experience, I’m still not quite ready to meet Hanako. Point being, of course we all want our software in our hands perfect and offering the best experience from day one, but we’re just not in the world of uniform hardware or company funding strategies anymore. So even if you don’t agree there’s any responsibility on the consumer side, surely it’s at least sensible to know yourself, and gauge your own tolerance for bugs and subpar experiences before splashing out up to $200 on entertainment software. Caveat emptor isn’t a new idea.

2) MSFS has had an excellent infrastructure for bug reporting and feature improvements for a long time (do you know of any other games / sims with as complete a two-way relationship between community and devs as MSFS?) so the idea that things won’t get fixed unless you shout ‘shame on you’ and ‘seeing your despondency makes me feel better’ is just plain wrong. Most will get fixed whatever you shout, because some of us with more trust and belief in the devs and the long term success of the sim are patiently filling in those bug reports. Some won’t. 

1 hour ago, scotchegg said:

still haven’t bought Star Wars TOR as it’s not polished enough for me yet,

You must have some stupidly high standards.

I've been playing since launch, it's a fine game and is way better now than it was 14 years ago when it first launched.

Edited January 11, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

5 hours ago, LRBS said:

Again, you cannot admit the reality or the complaints people make. Those are just issues all over the internet.

 

Of course, I will question your experience when it appears that you can't understand how important it is to be able to adjust and save your flight control systems, only to discover after a restart that they are reset like many other settings in many menus. Do you accuse people of having these issues to be clueless? So many? That's why we have so many YouTube videos trying to sort it out without success, and even the makers of these videos acknowledge the problem.

There are so many issues with this software.

Do I understand that selling a product with so many flaws is acceptable? Should we remain silent about our dissatisfaction after finding so many issues? Is this your approach? You act as though it’s normal for someone to take your hard-earned money and sell you such buggy software. 

Get real, please. 

 

Again, you seem to be not able to actually read and *comprehend* what is being said, and/or you are making up stuff that we supposedly said in order to back up whatever point you want to make.

Get real, please, indeed 🙂

I'll try to make it more simple for you. I am not questioning the *actual* issues some are having. We are talking about the extreme reactions that some seem to be having and the associated hyperbole that gets thrown around. Give those are all opinions are the end of the day, they will get discussed and countered and so on won't they? Again, natural discourse in an internet discussion forum.

One has to question your experience with these sorts of software systems if you are unable to grasp a simple fact: some users are not having as severe the issues that some others are having. Both these opposing sets of experiences *can* exist, and everything between. Read that more slowly again, to ensure it fully registers.

Also, this thread is about a hotfix for a single *specific* issue, so to see all the ranting about the other issues and how Asobo has so wronged them in life and bla bla bla... Is to be expected I suppose from the usual suspects 🤣

Edited January 11, 20251 yr by lwt1971

24 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

You must have some stupidly high standards.

I've been playing since launch, it's a fine game and is way better now than it was 14 years ago when it first launched.

Sorry, brain fart, was thinking of Outlaws

13 hours ago, FBW737 said:

Then they plain and simple lied. Typically you have to pay people to lie.

That’s the trend these days … because it seems to work for those that just want to believe.  We are still very much living in the land of kings and queens only the actors wear suits, fake tans, and leverage the gullible and lazy.  But you definitely don’t need to pay someone to lie … plenty willing to do it just from belief alone.

10 hours ago, Simselli said:

I don't get this addon's not working in 2024, all bar one airport , all the rest has transferred over fine, Active Sky is fine, RAAS works fine, Fenix and FBW's A380 both work fine as well,

Off the top of my head my incompatible plane list: (The ones I care about)

PMDG 737 x 2, 777, DC6 

Leonardo MD82, MD83

Just Flight 146, f28, Hawk, P28 x 4

FSS e175, e195

TFDi MD11

I find it astonishing that Asobo did not take the trouble to test these expensive and popular addon aircraft and do the decent thing by issuing a simple warning to its loyal customers along the lines of, please be aware that if you purchase 2024 the following planes will not be compatible....

Edited January 11, 20251 yr by jarmstro

Terrible update sim freezes now when entering STARS into MCDU on the A330. Great job. Back to MSFS20.

Edited January 11, 20251 yr by MikeH99

10 hours ago, Bert Pieke said:

I think you are right on... and if you are determined to push the sim to the very edge, you will get stutters, regardless of hardware.  At that point, you have a decision to make:

- Back off your settings to where you experience smooth flight and enjoy the experience,

or go to the Forums and complain about problems with the sim... It really is that simple 🫢

The jerks come in 90% of cases from the computer servers. You can reduce all the settings of FS24 and there will still be jerks. It depends on the week, the day, the time. Completely random. You can have a fabulous flight one day and the next day do exactly the same flight but you will not have the same experience at all. This is where the big frustration lies, not to mention the rest.To understand this you have to fly a lot...

1 hour ago, jarmstro said:

Off the top of my head my incompatible plane list: (The ones I care about)

PMDG 737 x 2, 777, DC6 

Leonardo MD82, MD83

Just Flight 146, f28, Hawk, P28 x 4

FSS e175, e195

TFDi MD11

I find it astonishing that Asobo did not take the trouble to test these expensive and popular addon aircraft and do the decent thing by issuing a simple warning to its loyal customers along the lines of, please be aware that if you purchase 2024 the following planes will not be compatible....

Ah well, mean time i'm happily flying what is available