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New Version of Lossless Scaling

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19 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

I have not tried this ap yet, but I found this video helpful:

It seems you need to have at least a steady base fps of 30, preferably 40 and best would be 60. Well, now, if you have a stead 30, 40 or let alone 60... why would you need this program for then...? With flight simming 40 or 60 is great already. Seems this app is mainly there for fps-junkies?

I think I'll pass. I have very smooth flights with my Gsync monitor (I have no clue at all what fps I am getting) and I don't see any advantages in this sofware apart from getting the fps-counter to show a higher number...

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  • robert young
    robert young

    In practise the minimum base of 30 fps seems to be a bit of a myth for me at least. I can run the sim at 20 fps and either double or treble that rate with lossless scaling and it still works absolutel

  • I switched it on today in the PMDG 777, at KATL, my FPS was around 24 at the airport,and with it on I got around 45 fps, and smooth. 

  • Ianrivaldosmith
    Ianrivaldosmith

    Hello all, I made a lossless settings guide over at the XP12 forums if anyone wants to look at it, I know its aimed at XP12 but  the settings within lossless scaling should apply to MSFS as well, just

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20 minutes ago, mistolip said:

I think I'll pass. I have very smooth flights with my Gsync monitor (I have no clue at all what fps I am getting) and I don't see any advantages in this sofware apart from getting the fps-counter to show a higher number...

Even with a 4090 it is not guaranteed you will get 60 FPS on a 60Hz or 120 Hz monitor "consistently" in every situation at large add-ons with hundreds of AI.  Ultimate fluidity is when FPS and refresh match, hence GSync... 

This allows you to lock at 30FPS but achieve 60 or 40 but achieve 120FPS. 

Do you believe in DLSS?

To say this is only for FPS junkies is nonsense and shows a lack of understanding.  If you are using GSync you are already manipulating frames for VRR, one is HW based coupled with the drivers the other is pure SW so I don't really understand why you support one method but claim the other is for FPS junkies only.  

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I'm happy with 30 fps with my 1080P monitor, but there are locations that dip my fps under 30 with my preferred settings. This is where I think this ap can be helpful.

MSFS

46 minutes ago, psolk said:

To say this is only for FPS junkies is nonsense and shows a lack of understanding.  If you are using GSync you are already manipulating frames for VRR, one is HW based coupled with the drivers the other is pure SW so I don't really understand why you support one method but claim the other is for FPS junkies only.  

I support one method because it gives me smooth performance regardless of fps. I don't care at all about fps. I only care about smooth performance. And I doubt if the other method should improve anything because it would mainly give me more fps which I am not interested in because performance is smooth already.

Besides, if I didn't have Gsync I would have to have a steady base fps for this app anyway and if I had that I wouldn't need this app at all because all it would add is more fps in which I am not interested.

In short: Gsync is useful and works and because this app needs smooth performance to work it makes itself redundant imho.

But hey, what do I know, haha! I am completely new to all this FG-stuff.

Having said all that (and while I am typing): if this app would enable me to run everything in MSFS2024 at Ultra instead of High AND keep smooth performance in combination wiith Gsync it might be of interest anyway, haha!

Afaik this app is pretty cheap so I might give it a try... although I plan to buy a 5080 (or 4090) in a month or two so... it would be a temporary solution anyway...

57 minutes ago, CFIJose said:

I'm happy with 30 fps with my 1080P monitor, but there are locations that dip my fps under 30 with my preferred settings. This is where I think this ap can be helpful.

I guess not because you need AT LEAST an fps of 30 to use this app with any result. (Which is why I am saying what the use of this app is: if you need a steady fps for it to work you already have a steady fps that will suffice so... all the app will do is show a higher number on your fps counter.)

Could well be I am totally missing the point here though, haha!

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This is the very best performance tweak I've ever used. I just did the complete KLGA RNAVX 31 approach (PMDG B738, coming from KORD). I could keep constantly 30/60 fps (LSFG x2 mode), and more important, it is  stutterfree and very smooth. All this with TLOD @ 300 (OLOD @150) giving me a beautiful view of NYC and espacially Manhattan all the time (no appearing/disappearing buildings etc.). MSFS has never been so good.

It also works with MSFS 2024 (25/50 fps).

- Harry 

9800x3D (Strix x870e-E)  -  64GB RAM (DDR5 6000, CL 30)  -  RTX 5090, 34'' 1440p OLED HDR  -  Windows 11 Pro (1TB M.2)  -  MSFS 2024 (MS Store, 4TB M.2).

18 minutes ago, Nemo said:

This is the very best performance tweak I've ever used. I just did the complete KLGA RNAVX 31 approach (PMDG B738, coming from KORD). I could keep constantly 30/60 fps (LSFG x2 mode), and more important, it is  stutterfree and very smooth. All this with TLOD @ 300 (OLOD @150) giving me a beautiful view of NYC and espacially Manhattan all the time (no appearing/disappearing buildings etc.). MSFS has never been so good.

It also works with MSFS 2024 (25/50 fps).

That's exactly what I mean with those areas that require a few more fps to keep the sim fluid. Thanks for sharing.

MSFS

not sure what i do wrong but for me after some seconds MSFS2024 went into lots of stutters and freezes if i use the tool with standard settings. I have DLSS activated so i wonder why this happens.

Carsten U

I got some problems that the screen starts freezing on heavy airports due to a VRAM overload. Somebody else?

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50 minutes ago, Nemo said:

This is the very best performance tweak I've ever used. I just did the complete KLGA RNAVX 31 approach (PMDG B738, coming from KORD). I could keep constantly 30/60 fps (LSFG x2 mode), and more important, it is  stutterfree and very smooth. All this with TLOD @ 300 (OLOD @150) giving me a beautiful view of NYC and espacially Manhattan all the time (no appearing/disappearing buildings etc.). MSFS has never been so good.

It also works with MSFS 2024 (25/50 fps).

This^^^^ 

There is no way I could get 60 stutter free FPS at KEWR with over 100 AI aircraft TLOD 400 OLOD 200 and a crisp, clear view of the Tri-State Area without Lossless, even with a 4090 and the whole 1/2 refresh rate frame rate limiting never worked for me due to controller/TrackIR latency... 

My holy grail has always been 60FPS on a 60Hz refresh monitor, not because I chase frames but because that is holy grail of fluidity but with Lossless I actually changed my refresh to 120Hz and it's still sustainable without stutters... 

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16 minutes ago, RTK1972 said:

not sure what i do wrong but for me after some seconds MSFS2024 went into lots of stutters and freezes if i use the tool with standard settings. I have DLSS activated so i wonder why this happens.

This happens on my end if VRAM is already almost maxed out before I start "scaling" via LS. In my case, I need around 1-2GB free VRAM before I start Lossless Scaling or it ends up in a stutterfest the moment the VRAM is full. Means: I cant use LS exactly in those situations I would profit most, on heavy airports with a lot of AI traffic and complex aircraft addons...

Greetings, Chris

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Just now, AnkH said:

This happens on my end if VRAM is already almost maxed out before I start "scaling" via LS. In my case, I need around 1-2GB free VRAM before I start Lossless Scaling or it ends up in a stutterfest the moment the VRAM is full. Means: I cant use LS exactly in those situations I would profit most, on heavy airports with a lot of AI traffic and complex aircraft addons...

Interesting, I wonder if the higher VRAM on the 4090 is the reason I'm not seeing that... 

Have a Wonderful Day

-Paul Solk

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I purchased the Loseless scaling program last week and tried it for a few days. The issue for me is I run a smaller monitor where I have Avliasoft EFB on the smaller monitor, and the BATC display on that monitor that I can turn on and off. When I activate Lossless scaling, I can't mouse over to the smaller monitor to change things in either BATC or the EFB. In addition if I want to bring up Chrome to read something, the toolbar at the bottom of the screen can't be activated either. If I use the Lossless scaling via it's hot key, I can turn it off, and then everything works. 

So I find my self turning it on and off, when I need to change settings or use my toolbar with the mouse. My FPS are OK without the lossless scaling, so lately I find that I hardly use the lossless scaling, since I don't see any real advantage to it. 

 

 

 

10 hours ago, AnkH said:

This happens on my end if VRAM is already almost maxed out before I start "scaling" via LS. In my case, I need around 1-2GB free VRAM before I start Lossless Scaling or it ends up in a stutterfest the moment the VRAM is full. Means: I cant use LS exactly in those situations I would profit most, on heavy airports with a lot of AI traffic and complex aircraft addons...

 
 

i do have a 4090 so that should be the Problem is Puls think. With 2020 everything was smooth and i did not ran into this problem….

Carsten U

When my mouse gets stuck, i just alt-tab our of MSFS  and it frees the mouse for other apps. A minor annoyance.

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