https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/345220-25jan25-a-bit-of-optimism-for-the-pending-msfs-2024-su1-update

 

We have had the SU1 public beta on hand for a bit over a day now, and are cautiously optimistic that, come Monday, we will find ourselves fully un-stuck when it comes to working within MSFS 2024.

Late this evening, we were able to build the 777 using the MSFS SDK, and it ran in mostly stable fashion, with debugging capability attached. We operated the airplane through an entire flight sequence and began cataloging the many issues that show up in 2024 that don't appear in 2020 and thus need to be addressed. That process will start in earnest on Monday.

To describe this another way: We have reason to believe that the full-stop-blockers we that have prevented WASM development in MSFS 2024 appear to have been removed, and we are now able to begin a thorough analysis of the 777 in order to begin the process of itemizing all of the things we need to fix/upgrade in order for the airplane to represent itself well in MSFS 2024.

To be clear: It runs- but it is not truly usable- as there are many things that don't work properly that must be adjusted, tweaked, corrected and tuned.

This is great news, however, and we have officially moved the optimism needle to the mid position- and we are looking forward to having a chance to finally bring our simulation value to this new platform.

We will keep you informed as we go.

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by lwt1971

Thats good news for those that have the 777. No mention of the previous aircraft though which is disappointing as I would like to have a functioning 737-800 but I guess the newest product gets the green light first.

1 hour ago, Lotharen said:

Thats good news for those that have the 777. No mention of the previous aircraft though which is disappointing as I would like to have a functioning 737-800 but I guess the newest product gets the green light first.

Well, from previous RSR statements it seems that they are planning to update the 737--things like a working flight deck door and modern texturing-- adding 2024 features, like a walk around and career mode compatibility, and then applying a reasonable upgrade charge. So I suspect it will take some time before the NGs move over to 2024. 777 is only getting a compatibility update.

It would be nice if they simply released a compatibility update for the 737s before adding new features etc.  While I would certainly welcome those new features, I'd hate to have to wait 6 months to a year to have those things released one aircraft by one instead of having the current 737s in the sim sooner.

19 minutes ago, regis9 said:

It would be nice if they simply released a compatibility update for the 737s before adding new features etc.  While I would certainly welcome those new features, I'd hate to have to wait 6 months to a year to have those things released one aircraft by one instead of having the current 737s in the sim sooner.

Concur. I love the 737 series and 777 quite a lot. In fact, I keep 2020 installed for mainly them.

28 minutes ago, regis9 said:

It would be nice if they simply released a compatibility update for the 737s before adding new features etc. 

It would also be nice if RR would learn to make more accurate release estimates. But I'm not holding my breath after witnessing him miss the mark by at least 6-9 months for every release during the last 15 years.

My understanding from following RSR’s posts over the last while is that the current NG will be made compatible with 2024 but there will be an updated version with new model, textures and sounds for not much cost. 
 

Don’t hold me to this but that is how I read it.  

42 minutes ago, regis9 said:

It would be nice if they simply released a compatibility update for the 737s before adding new features etc.  While I would certainly welcome those new features, I'd hate to have to wait 6 months to a year to have those things released one aircraft by one instead of having the current 737s in the sim sooner.

My understanding is that was the plan...  Fingers crossed.

13 minutes ago, Farlis said:

It would also be nice if RR would learn to make more accurate release estimates. But I'm not holding my breath after witnessing him miss the mark by at least 6-9 months for every release during the last 15 years.

When have they ever given a release date?  Hard to miss something you don't disclose.  

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/345220-25jan25-a-bit-of-optimism-for-the-pending-msfs-2024-su1-update?p=345311#post345311

Everybody,

I want to try and add some clarity to something here because some folks are confusing their apples and asparagus:

--> Directly pushing the a PMDG 2020 product into MSFS 2024 SU1 Public Beta gives a "mostly" usable solution as MS/Asobo appear to have fixed some of the blocking problems. But I want you to be clear here in understanding that this is never going to work well, and it is not going to look great either. There are very many differences between the two platforms that cause things like texture blow-outs, font problems and the like... So if you opt to push a 2020 product into 2024, please expect those things and plan to "live with them."

--> We are planning updates to our entire suite of 2020 products that will be built to work specifically within 2024, using the 2024 SDK and feature sets. This will allow us to cure the blown out textures, fonts, logical processes and other issues that plague the products when a 2020 build is used in 2024.

To phrase this another way: We are bringing you updated builds that will work natively in 2024 and be subject to the same quality rigor you are used to. If you elect to force the sim to run a 2020 product, please remember that the 2020 product was not built for 2024 and may not look/work nicely. There is no need to report it, because that isn't something that can be fixed within the 2020 product... it needs a rebuild in 2024 to really shine.

Those updates are what we are talking about when we focus on 2024 compatibility.


Still not clear to me if this is mostly a compatibility exercise they're first undertaking or if they're also planning to take advantage of 2024's new capabilities and improvements 🤔
 

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by lwt1971

32 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/345220-25jan25-a-bit-of-optimism-for-the-pending-msfs-2024-su1-update?p=345311#post345311

Everybody,

I want to try and add some clarity to something here because some folks are confusing their apples and asparagus:

--> Directly pushing the a PMDG 2020 product into MSFS 2024 SU1 Public Beta gives a "mostly" usable solution as MS/Asobo appear to have fixed some of the blocking problems. But I want you to be clear here in understanding that this is never going to work well, and it is not going to look great either. There are very many differences between the two platforms that cause things like texture blow-outs, font problems and the like... So if you opt to push a 2020 product into 2024, please expect those things and plan to "live with them."

--> We are planning updates to our entire suite of 2020 products that will be built to work specifically within 2024, using the 2024 SDK and feature sets. This will allow us to cure the blown out textures, fonts, logical processes and other issues that plague the products when a 2020 build is used in 2024.

To phrase this another way: We are bringing you updated builds that will work natively in 2024 and be subject to the same quality rigor you are used to. If you elect to force the sim to run a 2020 product, please remember that the 2020 product was not built for 2024 and may not look/work nicely. There is no need to report it, because that isn't something that can be fixed within the 2020 product... it needs a rebuild in 2024 to really shine.

Those updates are what we are talking about when we focus on 2024 compatibility.


Still not clear to me if this is mostly a compatibility exercise they're first undertaking or if they're also planning to take advantage of 2024's new capabilities and improvements 🤔
 

Seems pretty clear to me , what he said. If they just patch the PMDG 737 so it can load into 2024, it will probably work like word not allowed and look the same. It apparently needs a complete rewrite. 

Edited January 25, 20251 yr by Bobsk8

2 hours ago, psolk said:

When have they ever given a release date?  Hard to miss something you don't disclose.  

You know what I mean. While they never gave an exact day, they have an infamous history of creating an expectation for a relase window of a month, which they always miss by at least half a year.

12 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You know what I mean. While they never gave an exact day, they have an infamous history of creating an expectation for a relase window of a month, which they always miss by at least half a year.

First of all, fixing the PMDG aircraft so it will work with 2024 would be probably easier, if 2024 was not a moving target. But we all know that updates to 2024 will change things and  break things. PMDG ran into this issue with 2020, they would come out with a fix, Asobo would change something, and their fix didn't work anymore requiring more work. My guess is they are going to wait it out for a few months, and then start working on the 2024 version. Six months is probably a good bet. 

51 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Seems pretty clear to me , what he said. If they just patch the PMDG 737 so it can load into 2024, it will probably work like word not allowed and look the same. It apparently needs a complete rewrite. 

Not quite.

He's saying if you literally just take the 2020 PMDG aircraft as it is now and chuck it into 2024 it will have issues.
So what they need to do is re-build their products using 2024 SDK to in order to fix these issues.

When I say re-build I don't mean re-write. Sure there are some fixes here and there, but it's more like re-packaging using the new SDK.

All of this is to address reports on the PMDG discord that 737/777 seems to work SU1. Seems some people say it works great, others are finding issues.

51 minutes ago, Farlis said:

You know what I mean. While they never gave an exact day, they have an infamous history of creating an expectation for a relase window of a month, which they always miss by at least half a year.

I can't imagine it would be easy going through millions of lines of code and ensuring it all works well together.