Just now, mjrhealth said:

Well than youd be fighting all the people who keep demsnding new things, some things cant be fixed untill other things are fixed, sometimes that evfn means aftera ew feature is added. Thars why i honestly dont understand why anyone would want to ve a developer. You cant win. No matter what you do people from one side or the other will complain.

Fix this

Add that,

We want

We must have

Simple way to win, with adults anyway. Tell us that networking or whatever "your" issue (here it's dark cockpits) may be that it isn't being worked on and isn't in the picture for a fix until X date, instead of getting story after story that it's coming in the next release over and over and over again. Last story from Ben at the Expo was third quarter 2024, why make statements like that when it's not true, just to get the customer out of your face?

New update in 2025 - Not that long ago From Ben "Jetway sync is already coded, it's scheduled for the next release and it will be available in private builds while 12.2 is in public builds."

So if it's just ready now for testing, why the statement at the Expo? Just tell us the truth, then I know not to check back until X timeframe.
 

41 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

You cant win.

You can

and do

And when you do there is no better feeling in the world.

1000 failures for 1 win and it was worth being born. (and all anyone has to do is try 1001 times)

(actually more like 3 times if you are unlucky)

Edited March 15, 20251 yr by mSparks

7 hours ago, Litjan said:

second nature to pan the view down when I wanted to see the panel and up when I wanted to look outside and the brightness adjusted automatically accordingly

And isn't that exactly how the real world works, too? 😁

Yep - driving down the road with bright sunlight streaming in your face, you can't see your dashboard without looking down at it, and vice versa.

Maybe it IS because I use TrackIR that I just can't remember a dark cockpit issue...?

 

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil! Keep bitching, that's the only way certain items get corrected! How can you blame the customers when Laminar made numerous statements that things are going to get fixed only to still be broke years later!!!

You know the complainers, just bypass out posts until Laminar gets off their bottom and gets these items fixed.  Here's an idea, fix things that are broken before adding new stuff that's broke as well.

 

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil! Keep bitching, that's the only way certain items get corrected! How can you blame the customers when Laminar made numerous statements that things are going to get fixed only to still be broke years later!!!

 

This is my limit here. You've got it completely backwards. What Ben told you was in earnest and truth to the best of his knowledge at the time. He takes the time to try and address concerns whenever he can and understand feedback. At no point has networking ever been canned. Plans simply change.

Derailing thread after thread here because of your issue is not productive in any way, shape or form towards isn't progress towards getting it shipped. Nor is accusation after accusation. It is simply growing indignation amongst peers. 

And with that, I'm somewhat bored of this thread now...

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Just tell us the truth,

As they say, you cant handle the truth, or just dont want too.

Mike could do everyone a favour by dropping this public commentary that's been going nowhere for years, and writing direct to LR asking for a straight answer. If it's good news, Mike, share it with us. If it's not, keep it to yourself, please.

7 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil! Keep bitching, that's the only way certain items get corrected! How can you blame the customers when Laminar made numerous statements that things are going to get fixed only to still be broke years later!!!

You know the complainers, just bypass out posts until Laminar gets off their bottom and gets these items fixed.  Here's an idea, fix things that are broken before adding new stuff that's broke as well.

I had a reply, but @Delta_Who summed it all up pretty well.  

Edited March 16, 20251 yr by GoranM

5 hours ago, Brian Mackie said:

Mike could do everyone a favour by dropping this public commentary that's been going nowhere for years, and writing direct to LR asking for a straight answer. If it's good news, Mike, share it with us. If it's not, keep it to yourself, please.

If you can't get a straight answer from Ben what's the point of emailing for a straight answer?

11 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

If you can't get a straight answer from Ben what's the point of emailing for a straight answer?

There is a possibility he doesnt have one just yet. I think a lot of that stuff is tested on mobile first so who knows. But enough is enough.

5 hours ago, GoranM said:

I had a reply, but @Delta_Who summed it all up pretty well.  

I meant to tag @DeltaWho

 

1 hour ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

If you can't get a straight answer from Ben what's the point of emailing for a straight answer?

Sometimes the answer we get is not the answer we want to hear.

Users love to push devs into a corner, demanding a "yes or no" answer.

 

"Will you or will you not add feature X in the future?"

"Will feature X be ready by January 17th?"

"Do you think I am an important customer who deserves that his problem gets taken care of right away for him having given you his hard-earned dollars for this piece-of-cr*p software?"

 

Often the answer is not yes or no. And often honesty is something the person asking the question can not deal with very well. 

Like when my wife asks me if I would rather take a nice walk with her on this spring afternoon or spend more time flying imaginary airplanes on my computer without her. 😅

2 minutes ago, Litjan said:

Like when my wife asks me if I would rather take a nice walk with her on this spring afternoon or spend more time flying imaginary airplanes on my computer without her. 😅

😂😂😂

13 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

And isn't that exactly how the real world works, too? 😁

Yep - driving down the road with bright sunlight streaming in your face, you can't see your dashboard without looking down at it, and vice versa.

If the sun is in your field of view, you can't see the dashboard (sun blinding). If it's just a bright day, but the sun is not in your field of view, you can see both the outside and the dashboard clearly.

As LR developer @Maya2explained, some people mistook the old global exposure model (before XP 12.2) as if XP was actually modeling sun blinding.

Anyway, I certainly hope LR will model sun blinding in a future release!

(Ironically, cameras are much closer in reproducing what the human eye perceives when there's sun blinding, but they are instead very distant in reproducing what we perceive in normal bright days without sun blinding):

 

 

5 hours ago, Litjan said:

Like when my wife asks me if I would rather take a nice walk with her on this spring afternoon or spend more time flying imaginary airplanes on my computer without her. 😅

Choose the walk, the weather is great. You fly enough airplanes as-is.

11 hours ago, Murmur said:

If the sun is in your field of view, you can't see the dashboard (sun blinding). If it's just a bright day, but the sun is not in your field of view, you can see both the outside and the dashboard clearly.

As LR developer @Maya2explained, some people mistook the old global exposure model (before XP 12.2) as if XP was actually modeling sun blinding.

Anyway, I certainly hope LR will model sun blinding in a future release!

(Ironically, cameras are much closer in reproducing what the human eye perceives when there's sun blinding, but they are instead very distant in reproducing what we perceive in normal bright days without sun blinding):

 

 

Yes. I believe the point is that we look around with both our head and eyes a LOT more than any of us realize.

When all that "exposure" info is translated into a flat panel emissive computer screen where we're not using our eyes as we do in an IRL outside 3 D environment, well...

In any case, I personally haven't had this dark cockpit problem with any of my add-ons in any sim, and since it's an acknowledged issue in XP, I can only imagine that it's because I use TrackIR.