I have the FSR500 and really like it.

I know the Black Square add-ons have a Sterling reputation for systems, but I REALLY like the FSR 's flight model ("full" CFD/etc.).

If anyone has both, how do you feel the FM/handling compares? or anything else...?

AND a big one: how well does it work in v2024...?

Even if you don't have the FSR, what's most satisfying for you about the Turbine Duke...?

3 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I have the FSR500 and really like it.

I know the Black Square add-ons have a Sterling reputation for systems, but I REALLY like the FSR 's flight model ("full" CFD/etc.).

If anyone has both, how do you feel the FM/handling compares? or anything else...?

AND a big one: how well does it work in v2024...?

I have both. I hardly ever fly the FSR500. There's nothing wrong with it, I just find it slightly...anaemic?  The spotless, G1000 equipped cockpit seems unappealing to me. These are obviously design choices by Cessna and Roaul has done a fantastic job replicating it.

That said, I'm not interested in the VIP car comes to the plane business at all. I don't particularly like the tablet and find it obtrusive and unnecessary. 

The handling and CFD business? I suppose it's very nice in it's way but there's nothing that screams superiority over anything else as far as I can see.

For a high performance single turbo prop I find the SWS PC12 far more satisfying to fly.

I also greatly enjoy using the G1000 and think WT have done a marvellous job on that. If I want to indulge in some G1000 goodness....I'll take the Kodiak. 

Personally, think the Turbine Duke is in a class of it's own. The modelling and systems are superb and there's simply more to keep you occupied. I really like the older generation autopilot too and whilst the GN530 is another peach from WT, the ability to fit my TDS unit is an added bonus.

Although it's not officially supported yet, it works fine in 2024 as far as I can see.

And in 2020....

Off topic but these two vids remind me that there's a way to go with cloud formation in 2024....

Edited April 20, 20251 yr by DD_Arthur

I own both. And they are very good and unique in their own class of aircraft. The 500 reminds me of the old Piper Meridian by flight 1 for FS9. Except I wish the GPS was interchangeable. I would go with the 530 Garmin. Buy it and try for yourself, I think you will like flying it.

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Personally, think the Turbine Duke is in a class of it's own. The modelling and systems are superb and there's simply more to keep you occupied. I really like the older generation autopilot too and whilst the GN530 is another peach from WT, the ability to fit my TDS unit is an added bonus.

I gotta second this. I have the FSR too, and haven't flown it since it came out. The Duke on the other hand, I fly constantly. Such a great plane...nimble, fast, climbs like a rocket...single engine performance is good too, but be careful because those PT6's can easily get you into a VMC situation quickly if you're not careful. I like the option of going old school radios or GPS. And if you're one of those simmers, there's also wing flex lol. The lighting is phenomenal, the tablet is really cool too, showing you the inter workings of the engine and other systems. If you decide to go for the bundle, the piston version is just as much fun in its own way. Highly recommend the Duke.

I also have them both and fly the Duke a great deal, for reasons already explained, and have hardly touched the FSR. The Duke is really well done. Its flight model is very good, it feels heavy and its reactions are what I would expect it to be. It is also system deep and I find it a much more interesting aircraft to manage and fly. The lack of proper backup instruments on the FSR and that the keyboard do not work takes away from its completeness.

The Dukes work perfectly well in 2024.

It's looks very similar to RealAir's Turbine Duke.  A definite favorite of mine in P3D years back.  Look forward to flying this one.

Tom

Have both. Duke, without a shadow of a doubt.

Duke x 100. I uninstalled the FSR500 in MSFS2020 and have not installed it into 2024 yet. Probably never will. It looks so plastic and scrubbed, outside and in - I never get the feeling I am flying a real aircraft, just a toy. 

I have both, the FSR500 and the piston duke. If I had to chose between the two, I’d pick the duke. It has so much more character. The 500 looks like one of the default Asobo planes, not bad but too shiny and a little bit like a toy.

I did not get the turbine duke as I could not justify spending that much money.

Edited April 21, 20251 yr by petz_e

I have both and fly them both on a regular base. Me think you can't really put them aside. The 500 is coming with a full Navigraph integration both in EFB and G1000 coupled. A little airliner. The flight model and wear and tear are a slight level above the Dukes. The Dukes are more concentrating on the engine part only. The Dukes come classic with GPS options. Very different approach. Dukes are both piston and turbine flying very nice in 2024. I got the Dukes bundle and always thought I would spend most of the time in the turbine version. BUT its the other way around. I find the turbine one much more sterile and boring (and that's not meant in any way negative) to fly than the piston sibling. The piston Duke is just much more immersive for me, sounds, startup etc... But that's subjective for sure.

I would def get the Dukes in addition to the 500. Def very different scenarios to fly them.

Cheers T.

Forgive me I do not own both but I DO run multiple ga addons in 3 different sins and enjoy true to life/ realistic hardcore sinning wherever I can find it. 

(I'm going to forgive Microsoft SwiftKey TM for the above and not rectify for entertainment purposes). 

I own the Duke package (I own the RealAir planes too). 

The turbine is actually a little too finicky with engine damage. When you get to cruise almost every time you will find your engines at 95% when you turn the weather radar dial so clicking on the engine repair button kills the immersion. 

The Grand Duke is the most enjoyable for me. Doesn't have the weak and slow base model issues with it's substantial upgrades and also doesn't need micro management to stay in the air. The sounds are just SO GOOD (take it from an audio nerd) and from what I've read in your post history on all sims you will not regret getting this plane especially at the price. It has the full checklist situation where buttons you press and switches flicked actually DO something and if you miss one then something won't work properly down the line. It is also possible to memorise the start up to wing it and have fun. 

I'd give the Grand Duke 9/10 now (7/10 on release). 

The turbine is still pretty good at 8/10 but it's advantages (rocket ship climb rates) is offset by aforementioned engine damage vulnerability. 

 

I Think it is unfair to compare the 2.

Completely  different aircrafts.

Really a question of what your are looking for in a aircraft

I took out the 500 a little while ago and really enjoyed it.

I prefer the piston Duke to the turbine and I prefer the TBM850 turbine to the turbine Duke.

That said, the Dukes are really great like everything else from Blacksquare.

3 hours ago, Ron Lefebvre said:

I Think it is unfair to compare the 2.

Completely  different aircrafts.

Really a question of what your are looking for in a aircraft

I took out the 500 a little while ago and really enjoyed it.

I prefer the piston Duke to the turbine and I prefer the TBM850 turbine to the turbine Duke.

That said, the Dukes are really great like everything else from Blacksquare.

Thanks! Mainly what I'm seeking is (another) high fidelity turboprop. With the focus on fidelity!

And to your point, yeah, I'd like it to be more different from the FSR500 than more like it!

But now that's two people saying they prefer the Duke Piston to the Duke Turbine. hmmm...

Ironically, I was(am?) also considering the BS TBM, but some of the buzz around the Dukes has been that being the latest BS add-ons, they're finished to a higher standard...?

What makes you like the TBM more than the Duke, because I'm open to that add-on, too...?

The two aircraft I had in 2020 that I really miss in '24 are the DC6 and the TBM850....and for similar reasons that I treasure my Duke; they're interesting, busy, beautiful cockpits that you have to work at.

Hopefully next month we'll have them both provided with native installers for 24.

I don't think there's much to choose from in the modelling standard or handling qualities of either the Blacksquare aircraft or the FSR; they're all excellent in my opinion.

Yes, I do like the approach into London City Airport!

2 hours ago, UrgentSiesta said:

What makes you like the TBM more than the Duke, because I'm open to that add-on, too...?

I owned the RealAir Dukes in P3D and always found the piston engine version more fun to fly.  As noted above, the turbine version is finicky and demands attention (not of a good kind..), which is probably true to life.

In 2024, the problem I have with the Dukes, is the overall feel of the cockpit, which seems a bit cramped, with older avionics.  In comparison, the TBM has a roomy cockpit, with modern avionics and big windows.. which I appreciate.  The BS TBM is one of my favorite planes in 2024, but it is not officially supported in 2024.. and requires the sounds from the Asobo 2020 version.  So not a deal breaker.. but something to be aware of.

https://community.justflight.com/topic/7589/tbm850-in-2024

Edited April 21, 20251 yr by Bert Pieke