4 hours ago, NovemberUniform said:

I'm tempted. Although I prefer full size airliners, this thing is surely interesting.

As it is marketplace only, I guess there is no way to access the aircraft.cfg, right? I usually disable all service vehicles in the aircraft.cfg (because I use GSX).

One question for people who now. Is the auto throttle really an option in the real world? It looks too sophisticated to be totally fake. On the other hand there is no word about autothrottle in the official aircraft manual (linked here in this thread).

Yes, the auto throttle is made by a company called Safe Flight, which holds STCs for auto throttle systems on several types of jet aircraft that were not factory-equipped with AT. They work quite well. We have them on 3 CRJ-200s that my company operates.

There would be nothing in the official flight manuals. If the system is installed, Safe Flight would provide a supplemental flight manual specifically for the AT system.

10 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Yes, the auto throttle is made by a company called Safe Flight, which holds STCs for auto throttle systems on several types of jet aircraft that were not factory-equipped with AT. They work quite well. We have them on 3 CRJ-200s that my company operates.

Cool info. Thanks!

3 hours ago, haskell said:

No access to .cfg file unfortunately. GSX doesn’t work with this plane.

GSX doesn't work at all? I thought only seated pax don't work with marketplace aircraft?

Actually I don't necessarily need GSX for that kind of operation, although some features could still be useful (improved stand placement (stop position), follow me car, passenger bus, boarding pax, marshaller). But not being able to disable the default tug is bad, imho. It often stands in the way, especially at no push stands, which I guess are very common in business aviation.

Having watched a few streams on YouTube, some pilots don't seem to see a problem in running over all kinds of equipment and personnel with their jets. I would just prefer to disable them instead.

21 minutes ago, NovemberUniform said:

GSX doesn't work at all? I thought only seated pax don't work with marketplace aircraft?

Actually I don't necessarily need GSX for that kind of operation, although some features could still be useful (improved stand placement (stop position), follow me car, passenger bus, boarding pax, marshaller). But not being able to disable the default tug is bad, imho. It often stands in the way, especially at no push stands, which I guess are very common in business aviation.

Having watched a few streams on YouTube, some pilots don't seem to see a problem in running over all kinds of equipment and personnel with their jets. I would just prefer to disable them instead.

Yeah, from their Discord:
 

• Awemeter [FlightFX Z-4]BAWS — 4:26 PM

  GSX does not work well with GA planes at all. GSX said a while back they would make a GA version but I tried making a profile for HJET and it was a huge waste of time. Everything just looked bad.

3 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Yes, the auto throttle is made by a company called Safe Flight, which holds STCs for auto throttle systems on several types of jet aircraft that were not factory-equipped with AT. They work quite well. We have them on 3 CRJ-200s that my company operates.

I'd love to know more about that. Do the power levers move? I.e., do they install servos in the throttle quadrant? Or do they just link an engine parameter to MCP/FMC entries?

 

1 hour ago, prolixindec said:

I'd love to know more about that. Do the power levers move? I.e., do they install servos in the throttle quadrant? Or do they just link an engine parameter to MCP/FMC entries?

 

https://www.safeflight.com/products/auto-power/citation-x/

Looks like it does move the throttles - AutoPower^® manages engine thrust through the aircraft’s thrust levers, keeping the pilot in the loop. When the system changes thrust, the thrust levers move. 

9 hours ago, NovemberUniform said:

GSX doesn't work at all? I thought only seated pax don't work with marketplace aircraft?

Actually I don't necessarily need GSX for that kind of operation, although some features could still be useful (improved stand placement (stop position), follow me car, passenger bus, boarding pax, marshaller). But not being able to disable the default tug is bad, imho. It often stands in the way, especially at no push stands, which I guess are very common in business aviation.

Having watched a few streams on YouTube, some pilots don't seem to see a problem in running over all kinds of equipment and personnel with their jets. I would just prefer to disable them instead.

I totally agree with the statement in bold. The default tug moves very unrealistically, and I was glad that I could get rid of it with the PMDG 737-600 and 777F.

Edited July 27, 2025Jul 27 by Christopher Low

I've downloaded several liveries for this, but it seems most/all don't work, and instead I just get a plain white livery - any ideas how I'm being stupid?

Guys cant get to my PC or manual for a few hours today but done a couple of flights so far and its a great aircraft.

One thing I've had starting from cold and dark on both flights is a cabin pressure warning at altitude which I ignored so probably should not be writing this now haha !

Any idea what I missed ?

27 minutes ago, Neutrino Flux said:

Guys cant get to my PC or manual for a few hours today but done a couple of flights so far and its a great aircraft.

One thing I've had starting from cold and dark on both flights is a cabin pressure warning at altitude which I ignored so probably should not be writing this now haha !

Any idea what I missed ?

Did you turn the packs on before takeoff? They are off in the default cold and dark state. The bleed source for each pack should be set to HP/LP and the pack switch itself set to NORM. The isolation valve switch should be horizontal (set to CLOSED).

There may be a bug in the aircraft, because I saw one photo on the Discord of a user who appeared to have the packs set correctly but was getting the cabin altitude warning…

11 hours ago, prolixindec said:

I'd love to know more about that. Do the power levers move? I.e., do they install servos in the throttle quadrant? Or do they just link an engine parameter to MCP/FMC entries?

 

The Safe Flight STC adds servos on each power lever and a computer to control them, along with the status annunciator and control switch on the instrument panel.

22 hours ago, btacon said:

Excellent value at 30.00 bucks US. You won’t be disappointed

 

20 hours ago, Bunchy said:

Absolutely recommend it. Its really good in my opinion

Thanks fellas, I did manage to buy this yesterday and I must say it is best 30 bucks I have ever spent on a addon aircraft. The airplane itself is fun to fly, It has impressive performance, Those massive wings creates abundance of lift. The engines are also quite powerful but allows the performance needed, M0.87 cruise - I like that!

The aeroplane is also very easy to hand fly - as soon as I installed this, I loaded this up and did some manual visual circuits in this and it was good fun. Have conducted few flights of 300NM each, So far everything worked out as it should be - it does take some time to get used to with the autopilot and FMS but if you have flown other airliners then this should be relatively straightforward. 

The only thing I find is that the altitudes planned by simbrief don't correspond to what it says on FMS, On my flights I used the correct weights from simbrief, however FMS altitude prediction tells me something else, For instance on my last flight simbrief planned for FL470 - I loaded the aircraft with correct weights and the FMS tells me my max ceiling is FL450. I might need to look at the simbrief profile again. 

Edited July 27, 2025Jul 27 by CAP1234

2 hours ago, JRBarrett said:

Did you turn the packs on before takeoff? They are off in the default cold and dark state. The bleed source for each pack should be set to HP/LP and the pack switch itself set to NORM. The isolation valve switch should be horizontal (set to CLOSED).

There may be a bug in the aircraft, because I saw one photo on the Discord of a user who appeared to have the packs set correctly but was getting the cabin altitude warning…

Thanks Jim I'll give it a go later who needs oxygen anyway I think it's overrated !

21 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

Does anyone has a problem when INS doesn't align in certain airports?

This could have been the problem:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/676177-irs-alignment-cessna-citation-x-msfs2020/

 

2 hours ago, vonmar said:

This could have been the problem:

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/676177-irs-alignment-cessna-citation-x-msfs2020/

 

if you noticed I already replied on my question in this thread. I found answer at developer discord "Standby Power "must be on in order to initialize IRS