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MSFS is it’s own worst enemy

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1 minute ago, St Mawgan said:

Are you trying to run 2024 with the same settings as 2020? 

No, the absolute lowest. As I say, I'll leave the VRAM monitoring and Beta installs to others. It's not for me.

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  • kevinfirth
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    So, your main gripe is really that you don't have the money to properly migrate to a more capable sim platform with all the add-ons you want? I can empathise with that, been there in the past.  B

  • Never looked back? Then you might be lost if you are reading/posting in this MSFS forum. Let me help you guide you to where you probably prefer to hang out Link

  • I just want people to be aware that there are other excellent simulators out there.... especially for the OP.... maybe he's happy using FSX or P3D...  But 2020 is great, same with 2024, and also same

10 hours ago, c912039 said:

Then you might be lost if you are reading/posting in this MSFS forum.


To be fair, given the vast disparity in the level of activity on the MSFS forum side of avsim compared to other sections, if one wanted to promote anything or get eyes on whatever narrative one is trying to push, then one would come here 🙂 
 

Len
1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS
Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD

12 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:


To be fair, given the vast disparity in the level of activity on the MSFS forum side of avsim compared to other sections, if one wanted to promote anything or get eyes on whatever narrative one is trying to push, then one would come here 🙂 
 

🤣🤣🤣

i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM

And re: the OP, I have to wonder how everyone survived leading up to FSX when a new version of the flight simulator platform came out every ~2 years? 🙂 (i.e. FS95 -> FS2000 -> FS2002 -> FS2004 -> FSX). It is a given when major new versions of a sim platform is released, that new versions of add-ons native to the sim platform will have be to bought to best enjoy them, and that the 3rd party devs would obviously start to focus on the latest version of the sim platform.

At least with MSFS 2020 it will be supported for some years still by MS/Asobo so one can happily stick to it. Not sure how MS/Asobo are doing something wild here and "being their own enemy". The fact that 3rd party devs are starting to only focus on MSFS 2024 as the main modern sim platform to develop for, is just the natural course of things 🤷‍♂️
 

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Len
1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS
Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD

14 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

Too realistic for you? 😁

Says the sales rep...🙃

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

2 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

The fact that 3rd party devs are starting to only focus on MSFS 2024 as the main modern sim platform to develop for, is just the natural course of things 🤷‍♂️

Says the voice of reason, again 😀

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

13 hours ago, c912039 said:

Never looked back?

Then you might be lost if you are reading/posting in this MSFS forum.
Let me help you guide you to where you probably prefer to hang out
Link

That place looks desolate and depressing I see why some would rather come side eye the party here at the main character sim discussions😂🤣

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500GB SAMSUNG 860 EVO SERIES SSD M.2

Back to the OPs initial post, I can sympathize with the issue he is raising but at the same time as some have pointed out here it is kind of the nature of computer hobby games don't really retain their value. If I wanted to invest in things that were likely to  retain value I would make a hobby out of collecting gold or gemstones. The moment you get an addon it is depreciating, it has a shelf life. You can try to make that shelf life last as long as you can but it is going to pass a best-before date and eventually it will perish. 

This is why I am careful in what I purchase. I buy only planes that have depth, that I need time to learn, and that I am confident I am going to fly a lot and get some meaningful use and enjoyment out of. My hanger has never had more than 7 or 8 aircraft, not including variants. And I buy sceneries I am going to use enough to justify the expense. I view them as a 2 to 4 year investment. So I am not going to get an airport I will fly to once a year, but ones I will fly to a dozen times a year I will. I have made some mistakes along the way, bought some aircraft I never really used and some airports I don't visit enough to justify them, but I try to learn from these and use my money wisely. Then when a new version comes out -- as it inevitably will -- and some products do not work, I don't regret have bought it as I got a good number of hours of enjoyment and engagement out of it, it has paid for itself. And I look forward to new, and hopefully better things to come.

And I would say the trend has been positive; MSFS costs me much, much less in money and time than P3D did. I think I dispensed of around $8,000 of P3D scenery and aircraft when MSFS came out. I have never looked back and have few regrets about those purchases. I got years of enjoyment out of them. BUT, I am beyond the moon pleased I no longer have to install P3D, then Global, Vector, Land class regions, Trees, Buildings, Fauna, Active Sky, Cloud Art, Evenshade, Eventex, Evenplus, RealTime, and then airports and aircraft. It was what it was, but looking back that was nightmare of a program!

MSFS 2024. Primary Planes: Black Square TBM850, Duke, Baron, Caravan; A2A Comanche; FSReborn Phenom; Fexix A321; PMDG 737-7, 777: Utilities: Active Sky (Passive Mode); BATC, FSLTL.

1 hour ago, blueshark747 said:

That place looks desolate and depressing I see why some would rather come side eye the party here at the main character sim discussions😂🤣

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i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM

9 hours ago, Little Jenny said:

I refuse to sell a kidney to get a new GPU).  

😉

I run it on the exact same hardware as I did 2020: a mid range 5600x with a 4070. 

runs better & faster than v2020 did. 

IMHO, Asobo/Microsoft should stop supporting MSFS 2020 and throw all their resources behind MSFS 2024.

Just now, Ricardo41 said:

IMHO, Asobo/Microsoft should stop supporting MSFS 2020 and throw all their resources behind MSFS 2024.

Probably best to get SU3 out the door first 😎

20 minutes ago, UrgentSiesta said:

I run it on the exact same hardware as I did 2020: a mid range 5600x with a 4070. 

runs better & faster than v2020 did. 

Yes, but you need sufficient power in the first place for that to happen.

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

UK2000 Beta Tester

I see the maturity levels are 10/10 here on avsim today... 

22 hours ago, Noel said:

...You're accusing me of lying and accusing someone of lying with no basis.. 
...I think your demands for perfection are....nonsense...

This is strange.  Are you misunderstanding, or replying to the wrong post?

1. I never accused you of lying (check back, and prove it with a quote if I did.), but I reacted to your 'stop with this nonsense' comment.  What makes you think it is fine to talk to people like that?   Some of us are still having problems with non-compatible add-ons.  It is undeniable.  So it seems it is the other way around and you are calling us liars when you say 'stop with this nonsense'.

2.  I never demanded perfection and wouldn't be as stupid to in any sim (once again, prove it with a quote from my post if you are claiming I did).  We all know how it works. Perfection isn't possible in any sim, I just wanted what was promised at launch.

Not sure why you are misquoting me so often unless it is a genuine mistake, or just want to be argumentative for no reason.

 

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Rob (but call me Bob or Rob, I don't mind).

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Intel 14900K in a Z790 motherboard with water cooling, RTX 4080, 32 GB 6000 CL30 DDR5 RAM, W11 and MSFS on Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD's.  Core Isolation Off, Game Mode Off.

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