September 9, 2025Sep 9 Commercial Member 1 hour ago, PlumCrazy said: It would be really great if Asobo would allow 3rd party developers (PDMG, FFX, A2A, etc) to have access to new versions of the sim before they are released to the public. Hello @PlumCrazy, Developers do indeed have access to new builds before they're released to the public. They get this access by opting into the beta. These pre-release builds are not "early access" or general releases intended to be used by all simmers but are instead meant for testing purposes only. This includes testing by third party developers of their add-on products and updating them as needed (or reporting issues on the DevSupport forums if something in the SDK is broken in the build). Thanks, SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager
September 9, 2025Sep 9 29 minutes ago, micstatic said: I'm happy to see so many fixes don't get me wrong. But it seems like asobo never works with the biggest payware developers in advance. It seems like each and every release they are caught by surprise. That's kind of frustrating. A beta it is. As long as they opt in, they won't get caught off guard, as Seedy pointed out. 5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX 9070XT.
September 9, 2025Sep 9 33 minutes ago, micstatic said: I'm happy to see so many fixes don't get me wrong. But it seems like asobo never works with the biggest payware developers in advance. It seems like each and every release they are caught by surprise. That's kind of frustrating. Isn't that kind of the point of the beta? for the developers to test and resolve their issues before the public release? It just seems odd to be to opt-into a beta program and expect a seamless experience. Beta periods by general defintion is for.. bug fixing.
September 9, 2025Sep 9 5 hours ago, micstatic said: I can't even load into this new beta for some reason. I select the aircraft and then the airport. but the spinning wheel on the right keeps freezing. It depends on the aircraft I had the same issue with the CRJ-900. Never had FS24 freeze like that.
September 9, 2025Sep 9 Commercial Member It would be so much help if there was a way to run the MSFS beta side-by-side with a stable installation though. Not to bring X-Plane into the discussion but that's one thing they really do well. Developer of Self-Loading Cargo - The Cabin Crew and Passenger Simulation Addon for MSFS, X-Plane, P3D and FSX
September 9, 2025Sep 9 After installing SU4beta the sim was not performing well. Only after thoroughly deinstalling, then reinstalling SU3 and then SU4beta worked fine. Really fine in VR now. My mouse is working. Had a black screen every few seconds like blinking my eyes, but that went away after changing resolution mode (forgot which one I had), DLAA or Quality work fine here, FOV rendering on. MS FS 2020/2024 | 9800X3D | 64GB DDR5 6000mhz | ASUS ROG ASTRAL RTX 5090 32GB GDDR7 OC EDITION | Varjo Aero | Navigraph | VATSIM | TPR Pedals | Virpil | Honeycomb | Winwing FCU + EFIS | Behringer X Touch Mini | SPAD.next
September 9, 2025Sep 9 2 hours ago, PlumCrazy said: Looks like I might have to revert back to SU3, as my "go to" aircraft, the FFX CitationX, is unflyable in SU4 beta. It would be really great if Asobo would allow 3rd party developers (PDMG, FFX, A2A, etc) to have access to new versions of the sim before they are released to the public. Why would they? This is a beta, no one has to use it and developers can test it as well and figure out why their stuff is broken.
September 9, 2025Sep 9 6 minutes ago, Sky_Pilot071 said: Alpha is used to develop fixes while beta is for testing them. dd That doesn't make any sense, when you test them in beta and the "fixes" don't work then what? Quote A beta phase generally begins when the software is feature-complete but likely to contain several known or unknown bugs.[7] Software in the beta phase will generally have many more bugs in it than completed software and speed or performance issues, and may still cause crashes or data loss. The focus of beta testing is reducing impacts on users, often incorporating usability testing. The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle Come on people, we do this everytime a beta comes out and a select few consider the beta to be some kind of "early access" to the full release and it will be a seamless experience. It is meant to test and resolve bugs that's not generally possible in a closed testing environment.
September 9, 2025Sep 9 6 minutes ago, Lucky38i said: That doesn't make any sense, when you test them in beta and the "fixes" don't work then what? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle Come on people, we do this everytime a beta comes out and a select few consider the beta to be some kind of "early access" to the full release and it will be a seamless experience. It is meant to test and resolve bugs that's not generally possible in a closed testing environment. Also create more bugs - part of the cycle. dd
September 9, 2025Sep 9 Commercial Member Also, I wouldn't get too hung up on whatever definitions you might use for "alpha" or "beta". Internally, we refer to public testing such as this as "flighting", but publicly we call it the SU4 beta because most people are more familiar with that term and understand it to mean a work-in-progress pre-release test build that isn't final. Thanks, SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager Edited September 9, 2025Sep 9 by SeedyL
September 9, 2025Sep 9 1 hour ago, Lucky38i said: Isn't that kind of the point of the beta? for the developers to test and resolve their issues before the public release? It just seems odd to be to opt-into a beta program and expect a seamless experience. Beta periods by general defintion is for.. bug fixing. To me there would be an alpha and asobo would engage the gorillas of the addon world... 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 9, 2025Sep 9 10 minutes ago, micstatic said: To me there would be an alpha and asobo would engage the gorillas of the addon world... Well, @SeedyL did just clarify that devs do indeed have earlier access to the beta/alpha/whatever.. What they do with this time, who knows? I'm sure some fixes are easier than others. EDIT: This is not correct. See the correction below. Edited September 9, 2025Sep 9 by JonathanC 9800X3d, 4090, 64 GB DDR5 6000 RAM, 4 TB NVME (2x2), 4K Ultra + Framegen
September 9, 2025Sep 9 Just now, JonathanC said: Well, @SeedyL did just clarify that devs do indeed have earlier access to the beta/alpha/whatever.. What they do with this time, who knows? I'm sure some fixes are easier than others. I get it. Luckily steam makes it exceptionally easy to roll back and forth as needed. But it's been demonstrated over the years that the major payware devs have been surprised upon release. I wish that wouldn't happen. 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
September 9, 2025Sep 9 Commercial Member Hello @JonathanC, For clarification, that is not what I said. I posted that third-party developers get access to the pre-release builds to test their add-on products in advance of its final release by opting in to the public beta. This gives them several weeks/months (however long the beta lasts) to update their products as needed or to submit bug reports to the SDK team via the DevSupport forums. Thanks, SeedyL, MSFS Community Manager Edited September 9, 2025Sep 9 by SeedyL
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