17 minutes ago, romaf12008 said:

I didn't like FSlabs at first. But now I'm absolutely crazy about it. The only downside for me is that it quickly drops the nose when landing. The Fenix is a complete piece of word not allowed when landing.

I never had any problems with landing Fenix produkts - and I emphasize, never !

So must be something on your side i assume..

cheers 😉

Well,

I didn't mean to start a Fenix vs FSLabs "argument", if not for othe reason because I actually own and use both 50 / 50 depending on the type I want - A321 FSlabs, A320 Fenix (and I also use the default Inibuilds 321 LR, 320 Neo and 330 !)

But I was referring to the details of operations,  MEL, Failures, etc...

Flight wise they both have their good and not so good points. In the Fenix for instance I can't accept the almost total lack of sideslip when I fail an engine at V2 during initial climb, manual flight, and observe almost not sideslip being visible through the sideslip bar in the PFD (beta-target).

If we look out for references there's also indeed almost no noticeable yaw into the dead engine...

Edited October 6, 2025Oct 6 by jcomm

2 hours ago, pete_auau said:

suppose to can go over every add on and nit pick on things  sure  you can find just as many

Yeah when you're charging high-fidelity prices, it's entirely fair to nit-pick. I don't know why you think people shouldn't, that's how we get better products.

In a league of their own for sure but not for good reasons...

10 hours ago, YukonPete said:

Not horrible at all. I own Fenix and FSL. I only fly the FSL. Give me realistic systems over eye candy anyday.

wouldn't ya enjoy both ... why settle for great systems on an aweful visual, personally I am angry I spent the money on FSL due to that design flaw

4 hours ago, jcomm said:

Well,

I didn't mean to start a Fenix vs FSLabs "argument", 

Ah, my sweet summer child 😅

I'm on the fence about buying the FSLabs as I'm not convinced I need anything more than the Fenix (other than the FSL being a Neo) but I do feel like I may be missing out on the MEL stuff to add a bit more of a "persistence" feeling to my flying if you see what I mean? How are you finding that? 

One thing I will say is that the ToLiss is the only A320 that's ever given me an ECAM warning to delay takeoff due to the engine oil being too cold after starting in sub-zero conditions... I quite like that sort of thing.

Edited October 6, 2025Oct 6 by FPVSteve

The A320 series is so popular that in a few more years people will have 30 A320s on their flight sims, each from a different publisher.  

Id be getting so confused! 

11 minutes ago, ThrottleUp said:

The A320 series is so popular that in a few more years people will have 30 A320s on their flight sims, each from a different publisher.  

Id be getting so confused! 

Folks really love their 737s and A320s apparently.

I still don't care to venture outside of the Vanilla MS/Asobo A320 nor buy the PDMG 737.

They are just all too common boring planes imo.

Then again I'm a "bicycle handlebar style yoke" loving E Jet simmer. 😁🤣

 

Edited October 6, 2025Oct 6 by blueshark747

21 minutes ago, FPVSteve said:

Ah, my sweet summer child 😅

I'm on the fence about buying the FSLabs as I'm not convinced I need anything more than the Fenix (other than the FSL being a Neo) but I do feel like I may be missing out on the MEL stuff to add a bit more of a "persistence" feeling to my flying if you see what I mean? How are you finding that? 

One thing I will say is that the ToLiss is the only A320 that's ever given me an ECAM warning to delay takeoff due to the engine oil being too cold after starting in sub-zero conditions... I quite like that sort of thing.

I haven't, in all honesty, "vlown" it enough to experience tricky MEL situations... So far all has rested within operational limits 🙂

Yes, Toliss, in Xp12, is the way to go too !!!

3 hours ago, FPVSteve said:

Ah, my sweet summer child 😅

I'm on the fence about buying the FSLabs as I'm not convinced I need anything more than the Fenix (other than the FSL being a Neo) but I do feel like I may be missing out on the MEL stuff to add a bit more of a "persistence" feeling to my flying if you see what I mean? How are you finding that? 

One thing I will say is that the ToLiss is the only A320 that's ever given me an ECAM warning to delay takeoff due to the engine oil being too cold after starting in sub-zero conditions... I quite like that sort of thing.

I love the Toliss A32O NEO. Every flight is executed to perfection....managed descent just works flawlessly...meeting every altitude and speed constraints during the most complex STARs even during strong head or tailwinds...and it does so smoothly...with no fuss. It's perfection exemplified. 

Saw a livestream by a Lufthansa Pilot who flies these for a living and who has just bought the FLSABS as well. He also was very impressed but he also said whether to buy the Fenix or the FSLABS is a matter of preference. His verdict was that they are both more or less on par with each other with FSLABS having the edge with the more complete day to day pilot operations.

He said if you don't own the Fenix yet, it's a dice roll, if you already own the Fenix you should really think hard whether you really want to spend 70 bucks on a single airframe just because you get a techlog, MEL and a more complete ACARS simulation.

How is the documentation included with FSLabs?  Is it thorough or just an afterthought? 

10 hours ago, romaf12008 said:

I didn't like FSlabs at first. But now I'm absolutely crazy about it. The only downside for me is that it quickly drops the nose when landing. The Fenix is a complete piece of word not allowed when landing.

Nothing should really drop nose on landing - it's all in pilot hands. I personally I have no issue landing FSLabs or Fenix

23 hours ago, jcomm said:

Have to check that !  Thx for the hint !!!

EDIT : just tested it at LPPT, manually settings a 25 knot direct x-wind for rw 02.

Using the crab technique I was able to maintain the track aligned with the rw centerline, and when I uncrabed, while there was some drift it was minimized due to very slight upwind wing low.

It looked and felt ok to me?

 

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxbvBbXX0LATsklLLC-Vc6oIe4ncCYDylG?si=BenHmqKYM8gbLjfZ

Look how the track line exactly moves with the change in heading during the decrab. Keep in mind there is inertia of the airplane and there is sideslip...

Edited October 6, 2025Oct 6 by AGuther

On 10/5/2025 at 6:52 PM, btacon said:

Fenix?  Eye Candy? Ok then…

-B

it triple posted

Edited October 7, 2025Oct 7 by YukonPete