Don't think tiny.

dd

20 minutes ago, Brocky120 said:

5090 and a 9800X3D

 

Short answer is no

 

The performance is good enough, but the streaming, bluriness of the world and cockpit etc, terrible UI which actually makes 2020’s looks good, crashes, controls etc make it so much less enjoyable and I’ve switched back to 2020 now.

 

 

 

i thought 2024 was good, but having gone back to 2020 I do prefer it, not that 2024 is bad, I just find it quite problematic, especially with trying to fly in groups or with friends where visibility is terrible or you cant even see each other

Lol

On 10/23/2025 at 6:20 PM, micstatic said:

....  I’d like to see all devs go full time 24 so we don’t see their talents diluted between two sims 

I'll go a big step forward:  I'd like to see MS announce an end of support and end of access to servers for 2020.  I could see that being maybe 2 years after launch of 2024.  It just seems foolish to support two sims that are so similar to each other.  A 2-year grace period to allow the new version to mature and folks to migrate over seems about right...especially if there will be a MSFS 2028, and I believe there will be and it appears it may coincide w/ the launch of next-gen Xbox touted in stuff I've read to be a big hardware upgrade.  Put differently, what % of total work resources go towards continuing support for 2020?  That steals from development in 2024 at some level.  And worse, it may go to make the versions ever more similar.  

I will enjoy the sim I have in 2024, which is by far the best sim experience since I started some 20 years ago, instead of waiting for the “perfect” sim to release. 
 

2024 with SU 4 is simply lovely. I have been using it with minimal third party stuff even - just a couple of planes and some payware airports. But disabled GSX, third party ATC, FSLTL etc. I just have the fstraffic models (disabled the main program) and let MSFS handle traffic and ATC. It’s doing much better with that now, though not perfect. 

10 hours ago, SayAgain said:

Haha … why?  Life is short, go for it!

I will probably take the risk, Rob. My credit card keeps whispering to me that it is time to get a new PC, and it would be cleaner to install MSFS 2024 at that time (rather than mess about with MSFS 2020, and then switch shortly after). I just get a bit paranoid when I see comments regarding blurry textures/LOD issues/airport lighting (has that been fixed yet?)/stutters on final approach etc. On a side note, I have lucked out again in the graphics card department, so that will knock a sizable chunk off the cost of an upgrade. What it also means is that I can look at one of those fancy AMD X3D processors, and 64GB of RAM 

EDIT: Then I read Brocky120's post! 

I do wonder how long it will be before the PMDG 737-600 and 900 make it to MSFS 2024. The 700 and 800 will probably be upgraded first, so I could be in for an extended wait 

Edited October 26, 2025Oct 26 by Christopher Low

2 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

On a side note, I have lucked out again in the graphics card department

What ya got Chris?

10 hours ago, Noel said:

I'll go a big step forward:  I'd like to see MS announce an end of support and end of access to servers for 2020.  I could see that being maybe 2 years after launch of 2024.  It just seems foolish to support two sims that are so similar to each other.  A 2-year grace period to allow the new version to mature and folks to migrate over seems about right...especially if there will be a MSFS 2028, and I believe there will be and it appears it may coincide w/ the launch of next-gen Xbox touted in stuff I've read to be a big hardware upgrade.  Put differently, what % of total work resources go towards continuing support for 2020?  That steals from development in 2024 at some level.  And worse, it may go to make the versions ever more similar.  

Well....think of young (or older as well) people who don't have much money to spent. For them EUR 100 for a next version is a lot of money. 

Just my point of view....but I understand what you are saying here

13 hours ago, Brocky120 said:

5090 and a 9800X3D

 

Short answer is no

 

The performance is good enough, but the streaming, bluriness of the world and cockpit etc, terrible UI which actually makes 2020’s looks good, crashes, controls etc make it so much less enjoyable and I’ve switched back to 2020 now.

 

 

 

i thought 2024 was good, but having gone back to 2020 I do prefer it, not that 2024 is bad, I just find it quite problematic, especially with trying to fly in groups or with friends where visibility is terrible or you cant even see each other

Yeesh, when was the last time you tried the sim? What you're describing sounds like how the sim was back in 2024 to mid 2025. Pretty much all of what you're describing has been fixed for me except for the UI, of course lol.

It takes ZERO "development" work to "maintain" a server farm.  Chances are they are completely separate teams.

No gaming developer shuts down the servers 2 years after a new release.  Chances are those MSFS 2020 servers will run for an addt'l few years.  Remember the 10 yr comment?  We are ~ 5 yrs in, I would expect AT LEAST another 2-4 years of the 2020 servers existing.  I don't know that there will be any addt'l development to 2020 post SU16 now they share the same digital twin, but who knows, if upcoming City Updates can also be applicable to 2020 without addt'l development they might throw 2020 users a bone but to think "it's been two years they should shut the servers down" is not even realistic or based on business/gaming best practices...  

I am fairly certain it wont happen overnight either.  There should be an end of life and end of support announcement first.  They would certainly shut down availability to purchase it first and BTW, I can still go and BUY 2020 right now so they surely aren't shutting servers down while something is still available for sale!  LOL 

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1250410/Microsoft_Flight_Simulator_2020_40th_Anniversary_Edition/

SU4 isn't even out of Beta and people are calling for the death of 2020, come on... 

That's more personal entitlement that only what "I" use should be supported than ANY technical reasoning or business justification. 

They don't even have all of the 2020 Marketplace releases in 2024 yet but sure, people who paid for MSFS and still using expensive and supported add-ons in 2020 still should all have the servers shut down on them because it "MAY" be impacting 2024 with no actual data to prove that claim...  OK...

Fingers crossed SU4 release, (you know when it's out of Beta) is everything it has been in the Beta before we start calling for the death of 2020.  That would be an ideal next step! 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2025Oct 26 by psolk

21 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Crossing my fingers and hoping for the best after purchasing and installing MSFS 2024 on a new PC is not an encouraging proposition. I need to know that it will be OK.

That would be a lovely paradigm to live in.

But it's so far from reality for hardware and softeware.  You will never know until you launch the sim for the first time on the PC.

Since the release of FS2004 in late 2003, there have been AVSIM threads where people are hanging on to the 'old' sim and demanding the community to convince them to upgrade. 😊   "Until you can tell me that _________ is the case, I'm not moving!"  and  "I need certainty!"

We're all responsible for our own choices.   Consider your needs and preferences, think about how you use the sim, think about what you use with it and the addons you must have in there, consider budgets and the costs, then make your choice.    That's not to suggest that moving from 2020 to 2024 in the only logical choice.  Heck, there is a whole community out there dedicated to flying, maintaining and improving FS2004: A century of flight!   They have considered everything and have decided they want the security and familiarity of an old sim. Nostalgia plays a part too and that's ok.

I don't think MS will be turning off the MSFS2020 servers any day soon.  But I do think that within a year, 95% of new addons will be made for and compatible with MSFS2024 only.  So 2020 will move from being a conservative, low-risk option, to being a legacy simulator that won't see further updates or many (if any) new addons from 3rd parties.    Hasn't that always been the way.   By late 2004, there were no addons being created for FS2002 any more.

 

Edited October 26, 2025Oct 26 by JYW

33 minutes ago, JYW said:

That would be a lovely paradigm to live in.

But it's so far from reality for hardware and softeware.  You will never know until you launch the sim for the first time on the PC.

Since the release of FS2004 in late 2003, there have been AVSIM threads where people are hanging on to the 'old' sim and demanding the community to convince them to upgrade. 😊   "Until you can tell me that _________ is the case, I'm not moving!"  and  "I need certainty!"

We're all responsible for our own choices.   Consider your needs and preferences, think about how you use the sim, think about what you use with it and the addons you must have in there, consider budgets and the costs, then make your choice.    That's not to suggest that moving from 2020 to 2024 in the only logical choice.  Heck, there is a whole community out there dedicated to flying, maintaining and improving FS2004: A century of flight!   They have considered everything and have decided they want the security and familiarity of an old sim. Nostalgia plays a part too and that's ok.

I don't think MS will be turning off the MSFS2020 servers any day soon.  But I do think that within a year, 95% of new addons will be made for and compatible with MSFS2024 only.  So 2020 will move from being a conservative, low-risk option, to being a legacy simulator that won't see further updates or many (if any) new addons from 3rd parties.    Hasn't that always been the way.   By late 2004, there were no addons being created for FS2002 any more.

 

Well said Bill...  As with life, worry about what you do, who cares what others do, ESPECIALLY if it doesn't impact you...

I can say as a 2020 laggard though, the feedback and chatter around 2024 SU4 is the first time I've had some excitement to upgrade opposed to just trepidation and a bit of dread having to go through "the process" but SU4 seems to be the one that's shifting the mindset...  (Speaking for myself of course)  

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2025Oct 26 by psolk

13 hours ago, Noel said:

I'll go a big step forward:  I'd like to see MS announce an end of support and end of access to servers for 2020.  I could see that being maybe 2 years after launch of 2024.  It just seems foolish to support two sims that are so similar to each other.  A 2-year grace period to allow the new version to mature and folks to migrate over seems about right...especially if there will be a MSFS 2028, and I believe there will be and it appears it may coincide w/ the launch of next-gen Xbox touted in stuff I've read to be a big hardware upgrade.  Put differently, what % of total work resources go towards continuing support for 2020?  That steals from development in 2024 at some level.  And worse, it may go to make the versions ever more similar.  

I wonder though, if I were Asobo, when would I need to stop selling 2020 before I pulled the plug on it? It would seem a bit crazy if someone bought the game today, as it's still available online, and they pulled the plug tomorrow. Anyway my computer can just barely manage 2020 at low to medium settings so I'd be pretty upset if they did that before I'm ready to upgrade to a more advanced system. 

I too don't believe the development and hardware resource cost is significant for MS/Asobo just to keep the lights on for 2020, so definitely more power to them to keeping 2020 going in maintenance/fix mode only.

That said, when it comes to 3rd party devs, there certainly is a non-trivial cost to support both 2020 and 2024 (and at some/most? times significant).. so I'm all for those devs to focus on 2024 only if it means better aircraft and other add-ons developed natively for 2024 from the ground up, taking advantage of all the sim's capabilities/features.
 

4 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

I too don't believe the development and hardware resource cost is significant for MS/Asobo just to keep the lights on for 2020, so definitely more power to them to keeping 2020 going in maintenance/fix mode only.

That said, when it comes to 3rd party devs, there certainly is a non-trivial cost to support both 2020 and 2024 (and at some/most? times significant).. so I'm all for those devs to focus on 2024 only if it means better aircraft and other add-ons developed natively for 2024 from the ground up, taking advantage of all the sim's capabilities/features.
 

Agree with this and it's my concern with the BlueBird 757.  Looks to be an INCREDIBLE add-on coming our way but even as a laggard I completely agree that dedicating their resources to a 2020 release is far from ideal.  Dare I say they've missed the boat, ESPECIALLY if it slips into 2026 and they release for 2020.

Totally agree, at this point dedicate development resources to 2024 and taking full advantage of everything the new sim has to order and to your point, leave the lights on for 2020 as you leave please 😉  

 

1 hour ago, psolk said:

It takes ZERO "development" work to "maintain" a server farm.  Chances are they are completely separate teams.

No gaming developer shuts down the servers 2 years after a new release.

Says the know-it-all.  The "development" context was applied to 2024, not 2020.  2020 is effectively dead for further development, I hope.  And that TEAM charged with keeping 2020 functional are part of total resources available for 2024's further development.  PGA TOUR 2k21 was removed from server access this month.  It was superseded by 2K23 then 2K25, and now 2K21 is no longer accessible online, and that was exactly 2y after the release of 2K23.  And, 2020 has now been live for over FIVE YEARS.  Let it fade and take those resources and apply them to the deficiencies in 2024.