5 minutes ago, tamba765 said:

Xbox is where the money is.

There is no denying this. I would imagine xbox sales are far greater than PC. It's been said by first party Microsoft employees that we wouldn't even have a continuation of this franchise if it weren't for console.

What frustrates me then, is why doesn't Xbox division release a CAPABLE console to run this simulator? Xbox S is a pile of junk - but yes people want to run this sim on it. And when it doesn't work they are loud about it. Literally this is exactly what happened to our wonderful developer Raul at FSReborn. He had to visually downgrade the Phenom to try to save some vram for xbox users. Both Vram and RAM is shared on the xbox. What a funny situation to be in. Since 2024 requires heavy streaming thus needing more ram and vram to power the visuals. Anyway, Both X and S are quite in old in the tooth now. They need to make next gen console and it should have been released yesterday, to power our current generation simulator.

I was one of the biggest supporters of 2024. I still am (for now). I've spent thousands of hours of my free time making paints, investing in the community. I've also spent thousands on purchases from both vendors directly, and the marketplace.

There is of course another option for us PC power users though. There's a few tradeoffs though, as with any sim.

Edited August 15Aug 15 by ryanbatc

Lets be honest he only had to downgrade the Phenom because he wanted to sell it exclusively on the Marketplace. There is nothing stopping a developer from making addons which favour the PC. Money talks indeed.

What I dont get with this annoying PC vs. Console discussion is: many, many devs had the same problem for their game. And in many cases you get an «ultra» option set only for PC. And nobody complains. So why the heck is this not possible for MSFS2024? Why do all us PC users need to suffer from downgrades just that the FPS on consoles can be achieved? Simply give us the additional settings and everybody is fine. But no. Stupid LOD culling ruining the immersion with AI traffic for some single digit FPS gains on console? This simply sucks tbh...

2 hours ago, St Mawgan said:

Lets be honest he only had to downgrade the Phenom because he wanted to sell it exclusively on the Marketplace. There is nothing stopping a developer from making addons which favour the PC. Money talks indeed.

He almost certainly wants to sell his products exclusively on the MS Marketplace because of the additional security protection. Nobody wants their hard work to be given away for free by pirates. Personally, I prefer to buy products anywhere but the MS Marketplace these days (for a variety of reasons), but I can understand why some developers want to do it this way.

I do agree with the comment from Ankh about providing an optional download for higher resolution textures, but maybe there is a reason why this is not possible?

3 hours ago, Nandengo12 said:

Xbox gaming revenue is megabillions. Our PC community is not anywhere near that. It sucks, but money talks...

I push back on this simply because I feel there are more serious simmers with PCs vs Xbox also its just a pipeline anyone serious about flight simming might start with Xbox but quickly realize that PC is where the juice is.

16 minutes ago, TheFalXon said:

I push back on this simply because I feel there are more serious simmers with PCs vs Xbox also its just a pipeline anyone serious about flight simming might start with Xbox but quickly realize that PC is where the juice is.

I'm talking numbers here, not passion. Our community is obviously more passionate. The Xbox ecosystem is not limited to MSFS, and that's the rub

4 hours ago, Nandengo12 said:

Xbox gaming revenue is megabillions. Our PC community is not anywhere near that. It sucks, but money talks...

same as with p3d and the military then.. "year of the simmer" and that jazz... Simbol spoke to them at the flightsim show and they told him...

its always been about the money.

Edited Saturday at 06:33 PM5 days by fluffyflops

4 hours ago, ryanbatc said:

There is no denying this. I would imagine xbox sales are far greater than PC. It's been said by first party Microsoft employees that we wouldn't even have a continuation of this franchise if it weren't for console.

What frustrates me then, is why doesn't Xbox division release a CAPABLE console to run this simulator? Xbox S is a pile of junk - but yes people want to run this sim on it. And when it doesn't work they are loud about it. Literally this is exactly what happened to our wonderful developer Raul at FSReborn. He had to visually downgrade the Phenom to try to save some vram for xbox users. Both Vram and RAM is shared on the xbox. What a funny situation to be in. Since 2024 requires heavy streaming thus needing more ram and vram to power the visuals. Anyway, Both X and S are quite in old in the tooth now. They need to make next gen console and it should have been released yesterday, to power our current generation simulator.

I was one of the biggest supporters of 2024. I still am (for now). I've spent thousands of hours of my free time making paints, investing in the community. I've also spent thousands on purchases from both vendors directly, and the marketplace.

There is of course another option for us PC power users though. There's a few tradeoffs though, as with any sim.

Why the rant knowing a new XBOX in the works? sheesh

https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-confirms-project-helix-its-next-gen-console-that-will-also-play-pc-games

Edited Saturday at 06:37 PM5 days by Sky_Pilot071

8 hours ago, Sky_Pilot071 said:

Why the rant knowing a new XBOX in the works? sheesh

https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-confirms-project-helix-its-next-gen-console-that-will-also-play-pc-games

I know its in the works... but my point was this was needed when 2024 came out. They're trying to push all the graphics and processing needed through an xbox lol.... it just doesn't work as well as even a medium end PC.

11 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

I do agree with the comment from Ankh about providing an optional download for higher resolution textures, but maybe there is a reason why this is not possible?

For the ground textures, I wonder if this is more about limiting server-side bandwidth than improving performance? Bandwidth isn't free after all, and the one thing that is probably keeping MSFS from being subscription-based is marketplace revenue.

I do agree some "ultra+" options would be a nice compromise for things like aircraft/scenery textures and LOD's.

I somehow have worse performance than i did in Su5 ... the downgrades without the performance gains ... go figure

On 8/15/2026 at 6:47 AM, Sky_Pilot071 said:

I'm getting excellent results with Dynamic FG. Is anyone else trying it out?

SU6 visuals are also excellent IMO.

Edit: fast becoming my favorite fix is the ATC window opens / closes without delay. The menus just seem faster even when not flying. 👍

dd

Dynamic FG works brilliantly for me, it’s almost like it was built for FS - no need to use any third party apps to adjust fps on the fly imo.

On 8/15/2026 at 9:32 AM, Nandengo12 said:

If that is the case then they already realized there's core aspects of the engine that they can't tinker with any further. If people want better performance, it'll have to come from somewhere

Exactly. People just don't seem to account for this any more, and expect blood from a stone. Even in the age of frame gen, there are limits caused by hardware limitations. Hey, I'm not some 5090 user telling everyone that MSFS should have the highest visuals possible, just because I have a powerful card ...... I'm a 3080 user that accepts the limitations and is grateful for the beautiful half glass of perfection I have with MSFS 2024. 😎

[accidental double post]

Edited Sunday at 10:06 PM4 days by JYW

On 8/15/2026 at 2:54 PM, ryanbatc said:

this is exactly what happened to our wonderful developer Raul at FSReborn. He had to visually downgrade the Phenom to try to save some vram for xbox users

Did he have to?

Or did he want the additional $$$$$$ revenue from mass Marketplace / Xbox sales, and thus chose to?

Confirmation bias is an interesting thing. He's literally part of this 'dumbing down of visuals' phenomena that irritates you and many of us, but because he is universally viewed as an amazing guy, he was "forced to do it". 😉

Nothing about this opinion is suggesting that Raul is a 'bad guy'. Just that recent times have proven that his overarching interest and priority, is his business and maximising his revenue.

Edited Sunday at 10:07 PM4 days by JYW