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Yet Another Citation X 2.0 Thread

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That is very disappointing.
Unfortunately, the model compiler for FS9 will turn all those nice little 3d parts into a crumpled mess. It will auto-weld any mesh vertices that're 4mm or less apart. :(And yes, before anyone mentions it, there is a very clumsy workaround which involves manually editing the assembly files, but for a project of this complexity it would be an absolute nightmare.

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Btw, guys, what do you think about the new trend in modelling 3D switches whereas you need to hold'n'drag them left/right or up/down, particularly those switches with multiple positions? As opposite to just clicking with the mouse buttons? I find the former horribly inconvenient, 3D or no 3D - anything where you don't need to hold the button and drag your mouse sideways works much better, taking the reality of how we handle objects in 3D on the screen.Thanks,Dirk.PS: for what it matters I find it the most convenient with left/right button clicks only, and middle button/wheel inputs as complementary from the developer. :( :)

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Btw, guys, what do you think about the new trend in modelling 3D switches whereas you need to hold'n'drag them to the left/right or up/down, particularly those switches with multiple positions?
To be perfectly frank, I don't care for the drag method at all... Leftclick, Middleclick, Rightclick, and Wheel Up/Down only, thank you!

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Btw, guys, what do you think about the new trend in modelling 3D switches whereas you need to hold'n'drag them left/right or up/down, particularly those switches with multiple positions? As opposite to just clicking with the mouse buttons? I find the former horribly inconvenient, 3D or no 3D - anything where you don't need to hold the button and drag your mouse sideways works much better, taking the reality of how we handle objects in 3D on the screen.Thanks,Dirk.PS: for what it matters I find it the most convenient with left/right button clicks only, and middle button/wheel inputs as complementary from the developer. :)
Not a fan at all of dragging a switch. For me, I want a switch to act like a toggle and a rotary knob to act like a rotay knob. :(

I hope other developers will read and heed. :( Thanks,Dirk.

Hello RyanVery Subtle they can add to the experience, badly done I agree they can look unrealisticEaglesoft don't do things badly that is why I know if they added this they would do it well.Hello Ed Sorry if I upset you, did not mean too, but at least you now have some nice windows to look through next time you fly the 767 :(
Ed has a very dry humour at times so doubt he was upset. We'll give it a try on the FS9 refelections but if it doesn't suit us it won't make it to the public. :(
Ed has a very dry humour at times so doubt he was upset. We'll give it a try on the FS9 refelections but if it doesn't suit us it won't make it to the public. :(
Indeed the 767 has reflections :-)Actually easy to do and give the user the option to use it or not (I'm a fan of choices lol)Hence it could be done with a mouse click on\offPs. in real life there are reflections despite they want to have as less as possible it also depends on the lightning conditions lol

 

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I read a lot of positive comments about the Citation X v2. I have the FS9 version 2 but was desappointed with the gauges smoothness. It is even worse in the VC. Consequently I haven`t considered buying the FSX version. Please don't tell me it depends on my system, I ran LDS 767, PMDG 747 and MD11 and they all had very smooth gauges, even in the VC.For me having smooth instruments is essential for IFR flying, I will sacrifice other things to get a smooth ADI on approach.Dan

I read a lot of positive comments about the Citation X v2. I have the FS9 version 2 but was desappointed with the gauges smoothness. It is even worse in the VC. Consequently I haven`t considered buying the FSX version. Please don't tell me it depends on my system, I ran LDS 767, PMDG 747 and MD11 and they all had very smooth gauges, even in the VC.For me having smooth instruments is essential for IFR flying, I will sacrifice other things to get a smooth ADI on approach.Dan
Hi,I had the same VC gauge update issues with the FS9 version. VC gauge smoothness is important to me and I couldn't live with the FS9 version. I don't feel that it's an Eaglesoft issue specifically, as I have the same complaint about the FS9 versions of the PC-12, LDS767,PMDG747 and F1 ATR. The only two FS9 planes I can fly from the VC are the Real Air (all) and the PMDG MD11. The good news for me was the ES CitatationX V2 VC gauge refresh rate in FSX is much better. IMO, it's an excellent simulation with FMC fidelity equivlalent to the PMDG Boeings and the LDS767. Bob.. :)

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I'm not experiencing any gauge refresh rate problems in the VC in my FSX version. :(

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Hi,I had the same VC gauge update issues with the FS9 version. VC gauge smoothness is important to me and I couldn't live with the FS9 version. I don't feel that it's an Eaglesoft issue specifically, as I have the same complaint about the FS9 versions of the PC-12, LDS767,PMDG747 and F1 ATR. The only two FS9 planes I can fly from the VC are the Real Air (all) and the PMDG MD11. The good news for me was the ES CitatationX V2 VC gauge refresh rate in FSX is much better. IMO, it's an excellent simulation with FMC fidelity equivlalent to the PMDG Boeings and the LDS767. Bob.. :)
FS9 is a different animal than FSX and we concur that other vendors products also suffer in FS9 more so than FSX.Havent said much but the upcoming Hotfix 1.84 does have a few improvements which should help the FS9 crowd a bit. :(
Indeed the 767 has reflections :-)Actually easy to do and give the user the option to use it or not (I'm a fan of choices lol)Hence it could be done with a mouse click on\offPs. in real life there are reflections despite they want to have as less as possible it also depends on the lightning conditions lol
Correct Andre. As mentioned, we'll give it try and if we like it we'll include it. :(

Quick question.I quite fancy a citation, I believe there is the wilco, eaglesoft and flight 1 versions.Which one is regarded as the best in terms of accuracy, systems and graphics.This may have been asked but I am low on battery so can't afford to look.Thanks Tom

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Why not read some useful tips and tricks - http://forum.avsim.n...22#entry1965722

Ed has a very dry humour at times so doubt he was upset. We'll give it a try on the FS9 refelections but if it doesn't suit us it won't make it to the public. :(
Hello RonThat is great news that you will at least try the reflections, you have a nice options panel to add them too so users can have the choiceIts a win-win situation.It must suit the guys at Eaglesoft to some extent as I see them in the new FSX VC (and very nicely done too)
Quick question.I quite fancy a citation, I believe there is the wilco, eaglesoft and flight 1 versions.Which one is regarded as the best in terms of accuracy, systems and graphics.This may have been asked but I am low on battery so can't afford to look.Thanks Tom
HelloThe Eaglesoft CX v2.0 is the best business jet available at this point in timeThe Wilco is getting old and could not compare to Eaglesofts CX v1.0 never mind the new one.
Quick question.I quite fancy a citation, I believe there is the wilco, eaglesoft and flight 1 versions.Which one is regarded as the best in terms of accuracy, systems and graphics.This may have been asked but I am low on battery so can't afford to look.Thanks Tom
Tom, the history of commercial FS Citation X 750 is that Abacus had one in their old Corporate Pilot Series.That project included Jim Rhoads, Steve Small, and Tim Dickens work if I recall. F1 has a Mustang but no CX 750.Eaglesoft Development Group then built Citation X V1.0 for FS2002/FS2004 which was a new standard at that time.The Wilco/FT CX was released a few years back while Eaglesoft was in the back hanger working on what is now Citation X Extreme V2.0.The Avsim Gold Star Review settles the matter for us so suggest a read of the Avsim Review of Eaglesoft Citation X Extreme 2.0. :(

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