I agree that the PMDG is still better than the iFly. And even more considering the age difference. The only main problem with the PMDG bird is the stutters when flying from the VC...The iFly is turning out to be another QWings, IMHO.The product has got some potential but they don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect...I hope to be wrong though.Ghiom

LOL

I agree that the PMDG is still better than the iFly. And even more considering the age difference. The only main problem with the PMDG bird is the stutters when flying from the VC...The iFly is turning out to be another QWings, IMHO.The product has got some potential but they don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect...I hope to be wrong though.Ghiom

stop hoping. You are.

I tell ya this thread is just too much! :(

Open your minds PMDG is great, but don't short all the other hard working developers. I love my PMDG and iFly bird.

I agree that the PMDG is still better than the iFly. And even more considering the age difference. The only main problem with the PMDG bird is the stutters when flying from the VC...The iFly is turning out to be another QWings, IMHO.The product has got some potential but they don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect...I hope to be wrong though.Ghiom

So,after 3 service releases with at léast one more around the corner,Two interim patches with two revisions each,1 SP with 3 revisions, and a Feature Pack coming that adds yet moreand will probably need a servicerelease of it's own,and Steve and the developers working diligently accepting the weirdest suggestions and checking the most unheard of options you can honestly say that "They don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect" ?So the suggestions topic is just for fun?The testing by the Ateam is not because they want to get itas near perfection as they can get, but simply because they are bored?Steve is reading, checking the manuals, talking to the developer,giving him our feedback just because he is bored?And where on earth do you get the 3/4/500 idea from?There is a SUGGESTION in the forum they should maybe do one after this,but none of the developers or Steve or anyone that might knowhas ever said they will do that.There is also a plea for the 777 and I don't see that happening too.All they have said about áfter the NG is "what the team will do after this plane is finished is anyones guess, but at the very least they will enjoy a vacation".I know some suggestions you did fell on deaf ears but the reasons why were clearly explained,and other issues are under investigation and if proven true will almost certainly be corrected. There is zero reason for you to post a post like that.That's all there is to it.CheersJP.

I agree that the PMDG is still better than the iFly. And even more considering the age difference. The only main problem with the PMDG bird is the stutters when flying from the VC...The iFly is turning out to be another QWings, IMHO.The product has got some potential but they don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect...I hope to be wrong though.Ghiom

Well...I must say - to me this statement is downright impudent. The team is really working hard to present the most sophisticated 737 simulation for the FS9 platform. An approach to flightsimming PMDG has given up long ago. There were so many suggestions from users that have been included already, something which is really outstanding, and I have never experienced this attitude to such an extent as iFly acts right now. Just because some of your proposals won't be included you are telling us they don't seem to be interested to make the product perfect. And even more - you compare that to QualityWings, a developer who advertises being a mid-level simulation. Good, but mid-level.Come on, this is ridiculous.

I seriously doubt that the person ignorantly postulating about the iFly product actually owns it and has access to the licensed members area. Abject nonsense of the highest order :(

No offense, but this should end right now. This thread has gone waaaay out of proportion, and beyond it's original intent. This shouldn't be an argument. You want it? Buy it.

No offense, but this should end right now. This thread has gone waaaay out of proportion, and beyond it's original intent. This shouldn't be an argument. You want it? Buy it.

Your Absolutely right, but the comment is so far from reality, that it has to be defended.

I seriously doubt that the person ignorantly postulating about the iFly product actually owns it and has access to the licensed members area. Abject nonsense of the highest order :(

For the record - I withdraw the bold part, and apologize for the unintended inference.

Ghiom,First off, read my disclaimer. Now...nobody is making you fly the iFly 737. If you want to fly the PMDG 737...go right ahead. Fly it until the wings fall off, but don't come on to a public forum and say that iFly is uninterested in making the 737 as perfect as it can possibly be. I'm sorry if you feel offended by the responses you get in the support forum, but what you asked for is not a realistic feature (pilots don't fly there 737's at 16x in the real world.) If you see something that is an actual issue, then post it...but do your research First. Just because PMDG or Wilco or another addon development company modeled something differently than iFly doesn't mean that iFly is now incorrect. It's called an option. Just like when you buy a car...you have options. Buying an airplane is no different.As you can see, you are an outlier in your opinions. We can't make everybody happy, and we don't aim to. Not everybody is out for realism and that's ok.Matt LaMay

First, let me apologize for my words that created something I did not intend nor expect. And before all, to iFly.I feel frustrated because as you mentioned, I don't enjoy the same product as most (maybe all) do. And I still don't understand why...(the acceleration concern being an aside).Maybe I am too perfectionist or was hoping too much too soon out of the very promising product. Once again, pls accept all my apologies. Just retain if any the good laugh that you seem to have.Ghiom

If I may add my 2 cents here, the support Steve gives and iFly's continuing improvements to their 737 is a joy to behold. Sure. the iFly 737 has a few rough edges here and there, but they're getting buffed off quickly. Nothing against PMDG (I've got all their FS9 products plus the J41), but FS9-wise iFly are now the only game in town when it comes to the 737. It really is a great piece of kit.Cheers, SLuggy

First, let me apologize for my words that created something I did not intend nor expect. And before all, to iFly.I feel frustrated because as you mentioned, I don't enjoy the same product as most (maybe all) do. And I still don't understand why...(the acceleration concern being an aside).Maybe I am too perfectionist or was hoping too much too soon out of the very promising product. Once again, pls accept all my apologies. Just retain if any the good laugh that you seem to have.Ghiom

Ok, my standards are too low. LOL.

I agree that the PMDG is still better than the iFly. And even more considering the age difference. The only main problem with the PMDG bird is the stutters when flying from the VC...The iFly is turning out to be another QWings, IMHO.The product has got some potential but they don't seem to be interested in trying to make it perfect...I hope to be wrong though.Ghiom

Hello Ghiom, Since that it was me that replied to your issues in the support forum that created this belief you have that we are not interested in making the aircraft perfect, I feel that it is appropriate that I make everyone fully aware of my comments and the issue that caused this issue for you. In the forum you reported that the aircraft was not robust when in accelerated speed modes. When I replied and made you think I was being sarcastic I said that there were no plans to change how the aircraft behaves in advanced speed and then further replied We don't test or design the aircraft to work in advanced speed so are not going to change things at this late stage. I have used it in 2 and 4x speed to get to a test point on a route with no issues. What I don't do is leave it in those modes if there is a major change of direction as that makes no sense as it will not work. I fully understand that sometimes our time for a flight in the evenings maybe limited and for a longer route you do need to use accelerated speed but as with most complex aircraft it still requires you to monitor what is happening and if your route has a tight dog leg, you need to be abe to step in take control before then accelerated time. In the forum I have continually answered all your posts regarding issues you have had and seem unique to your setup and tested all these to make sure there were no issue. When I was honest and upfront with you on this occasion offering what for me seemed like sensible advice, you think this is my lack of interest in making the aircraft as real as possible. Since release the aircraft has come a long way since release and now with SP1 Rev3 and the Feature Pack to come is huge fun to fly. The Development Team have continually gone the extra mile for users to the point they added the option to hide the cockpit seats in the vc for one user with large high res monitors. It has been a huge learning curve for me as I was never a 737NG fan before becoming involved in this project and with many well informed users, but I have always tried to get the correct information and the development team have always updated the aircraft when it has been shown a system has not been modelled with 100% accuracy. I am not sure how much more we can do for the iFly users but it does appear an old friend was correct when he said you can please some of the people some of the time but not all of the people all of the time.Steve MassoniFly/Flight1 support