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Externalities and the NGX

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My thinking on this, and it may or may not be PMDG's opinion, so just take it with a grain of salt...We're always searching for that extra bit to make simulations feel more real. Sometimes it takes exaggerating some aspects to make that happen. Sure the windows in a real 737 may not reflect that much from the flight deck, whether it's due to lighting, possibly some kind of anti-glare coating on the windows or the angle that it's set. But for a large majority of simmers this extra bit of detail makes it feel more real. Sometimes you have to magnify certain aspects to make them feel real on a 2d LCD screen.That's just my opinion.
This is an excellent summary. The exaggeration is what increases the level of realism, I think PMDG are spot on with their reflections and even find the J41 reflections enhance realism.

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This is an excellent summary. The exaggeration is what increases the level of realism, I think PMDG are spot on with their reflections and even find the J41 reflections enhance realism.
Exactly. A real 737 pilot (or probably any airliner pilot) could spot it instantly and possibly be annoyed, but for the average simmer who only sees wing views from the coach section when they fly it looks more real. I always wear polarized lenses when I'm driving my SUV (bad analogy, I know) so there are zero reflections in the windshield, but I remember growing up thinking how annoying those papers were that my dad kept on the dashboard. When I take my glasses off now I can even spot the dash vents reflected in my windshield, so it looks good to me when there's some sort of reflection in the NGX. Not enough to distract me or block the view, just enough to remind me there's glass in that thar cockpit! I think PMDG has hit a great balance on this.

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The point Robert was making is that what we say about performance is always subject to change during development, not that the performance has actually gotten worse. We will not know the final performance level until we're done.
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I highly doubt PMDG is going to put things in that aren't realistic. That includes the glare in the windows. Given how they've obviously spared no effort to accurately model every aspect of this aircraft that 99% of us could care about down to the rivets and DUST, using up close and personal photos and tens of thousands of pages of original Boeing documentation to do it, whatever I "think" I know ain't even close to what they know.So I trust that "IF it can be done, it will, and if it IS done, it'll be done RIGHT." New motto perhaps? :(

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Hey,How is the performance going to be? Will my system be able to handle it with Orbx scenery?Joel
Whats your last name, Joel? The rules states you have to sign with your full name.Also, the topic you are asking answer for have been up numerous time in this very thread, so please search the word "performance" or "fps" and you'll get the answers you need.

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Hey,How is the performance going to be? Will my system be able to handle it with Orbx scenery?Joel
You're at a disadvantage with those specs - particularly the slow dual core Core 2 CPU. FSX is all about CPU speed. Do not expect to be running maxed out addon scenery with a high end airplane well with those specs. Look at my specs and look at the screenshots in the 2nd batch - I took those and they're at the settings I actually run the sim at. It takes a fast PC to be able to do that, I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think there's many laptops on the market that can do it - your best bet if you want to do it is to build a desktop system.*Before anyone gets up in arms about what I said here, I'm not saying that Core 2s can't run the NGX or anything like that - I'm saying don't expect to be able to run it well with every other addon under the sun all at max settings.

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Exactly. A real 737 pilot (or probably any airliner pilot) could spot it instantly and possibly be annoyed, but for the average simmer who only sees wing views from the coach section when they fly it looks more real. I always wear polarized lenses when I'm driving my SUV (bad analogy, I know) so there are zero reflections in the windshield, but I remember growing up thinking how annoying those papers were that my dad kept on the dashboard. When I take my glasses off now I can even spot the dash vents reflected in my windshield, so it looks good to me when there's some sort of reflection in the NGX. Not enough to distract me or block the view, just enough to remind me there's glass in that thar cockpit! I think PMDG has hit a great balance on this.
It depends on what the reflection is and how much it interferes with what I'm doing. I was doing an IPC (instrument proficiency check) back in November. It was in a rented G1000 equipped DA40. The owner (it was leased to the flying club im with) put those clear plastic protectors on the screens. Any time we weren't under a cloud (and it was only scattered clouds that day), it was like I lost all my instruments. All I could see was the reflection of my shirt in my screen. I ended up moving the PDF to the right side screen and had to fly my approaches like that! Thankfully the owner has since agreed to remove the protectors and we promised not to get our, "Grubby little finger prints," all over his screens.The problem we also have is that we're warned against using polarized glasses because it could cause some of the instruments to be unreadable. But reflections in the windscreen is rarely a problem. If you notice, all the glareshields are black to help prevent reflections straight ahead. The few minor reflections that do pop up on the side screens or windows and even straight ahead has never been a problem for me. You really just sort of "tune" them out if they aren't a problem. It really is more of an annoyance since i do regularly take aerial pictures. Scratches are actually worse.

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[...]*Before anyone gets up in arms about what I said here, I'm not saying that Core 2s can't run the NGX or anything like that - I'm saying don't expect to be able to run it well with every other addon under the sun all at max settings.
LOL ryan, i love how you covered your tracks for the trolls! XD XD.. "DOES THIS MEAN PERFORMANCE IS........" etc etc :)

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Wow the NGX looks incredible, Congrats to everyone involved at PMDG. Makes me want to get back to my hobby I miss. New PC is in order I reckon.

Ryan,Any help in overclocking CPU's for beginners?? I have an Intel i7 940 @ 2.93GHz, is it worth overclocking with 12GB RAM?Would appreciate the help, Thanks!Tristan Marchent

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Ryan,Any help in overclocking CPU's for beginners?? I have an Intel i7 940 @ 2.93GHz, is it worth overclocking with 12GB RAM?Would appreciate the help, Thanks!Tristan Marchent
Overclocking is well worth it, 12GB of ram however is not. IIRC FSX can only use 4GB or something.

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Rain drops are nice but if they are going to kill performance I'd rather go without them...David DD

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You're at a disadvantage with those specs - particularly the slow dual core Core 2 CPU. FSX is all about CPU speed. Do not expect to be running maxed out addon scenery with a high end airplane well with those specs. Look at my specs and look at the screenshots in the 2nd batch - I took those and they're at the settings I actually run the sim at. It takes a fast PC to be able to do that, I'm not going to lie to you. I don't think there's many laptops on the market that can do it - your best bet if you want to do it is to build a desktop system.*Before anyone gets up in arms about what I said here, I'm not saying that Core 2s can't run the NGX or anything like that - I'm saying don't expect to be able to run it well with every other addon under the sun all at max settings.
I found the internet to be useful to speed up FSX imensly. I have similar specs to yours apart from the core 2 CPU, i run an i7 (but from a laptop) which is on the low end. But i still get frame rates over 30 with addons by doing a few simple tricks. Firstly i run gamebooster which seems to speed things up and i use an external fram rate limiter and run the fsx one at unlimited. I have also teaked the fsx.cfg according to bojotes guide. All these little things have meant that i can gradually move the sliders more to the right side, it is not at max but very close to it and it seems to run add ons like YMML orbyx scenery just fine.Hope this helpsAdnan Somehwere near YMML
Whats your last name, Joel? The rules states you have to sign with your full name.Also, the topic you are asking answer for have been up numerous time in this very thread, so please search the word "performance" or "fps" and you'll get the answers you need.
Not to be rude, but are you an administrator? I mean, leave it to the admins to correct it, I understand you're trying to help, but your prowling looking for every one of our mistakes.
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