So why, then, do they make you say you're a developer to get access to it?Even if what you say is true, that just means they won't kick you out yet. One person on the team unofficially saying "Try it for a month" does not mean "Lockheed Martin Corp. promises that you'll always have access for $9.95 per month as a consumer using it solely for fun". It means "I as ecosystem manager and principle engineer am OK if you try it for a month, because I want to generate buzz and/or get more bug reports right now, and so I'm not going to throw a fuss at you saying you're a developer when you aren't". Could be next month they'll kick you out, change the price to $50 a month for consumers, or... pretty much anything really.

Sigh..... LM is a company to make money.-- They could really care less if you buy a Developer License and not develop anything. They can't prove if you are a dev or not! -You're sending them your money to use it. They can not (legally) investigate your PC to see if you are a real dev.The more people they see using it would make them more lax with prices... Not raise them LOLYour pessimism for our hobby is quite interesting considering you are browsing the NGX FORUM! ROFL (70 bucks)

It's primarily a question of whether it's worth $500 or $10/mo for a platform seeing continuous updates/fixes. It either is or it isn't. I'm still on the fence.

Sigh..... LM is a company to make money.-- They could really care less if you buy a Developer License and not develop anything. They can't prove if you are a dev or not! -You're sending them your money to use it. They can not (legally) investigate your PC to see if you are a real dev.The more people they see using it would make them more lax with prices... Not raise them LOLYour pessimism for our hobby is quite interesting considering you are browsing the NGX FORUM! ROFL (70 bucks)

Ben you are getting SO Pro-P3D its almost becoming quite concerning , you fail to find logic in any other users viable opinions against using this product.You have stated repeatidly that those that have a different view to yours are illogical and wrong. The NGX cost me £45, it is a product I now OWN, its not something I rent for 5 yrs and will become void at any stage. I dont agree in the principal of renting and any arguement about utility bills are just getting silly Most users are against this leasing policy as you never effectively own it for yourself and LM can, if they wish, ramp the cost up per month at any given stage once they have a large enough user base, users like yourself, who perhaps have become accustomed to using it and think 'oh well I've just paid a few hundred dollars over the past xxx months then I better carry on as there's no alternative product'.You keep mentioning the word 'hobby' which flight simulation is, a hobby is a past time and whilst fairly important to our wellbeing it is NOT essential. Money talks and if finances get squeezed at LM and the choice comes for 'war on terror or developing a piece of gaming software for the hobbyists' you can for sure tell where the money is going. Imagine the outcry if LM said we cant supply this aircraft because we've used the last of our available funds developing a new airport!!

Ben you are getting SO Pro-P3D its almost becoming quite concerning , you fail to find logic in any other users viable opinions against using this product.You have stated repeatidly that those that have a different view to yours are illogical and wrong. The NGX cost me £45, it is a product I now OWN, its not something I rent for 5 yrs and will become void at any stage. I dont agree in the principal of renting and any arguement about utility bills are just getting silly Most users are against this leasing policy as you never effectively own it for yourself and LM can, if they wish, ramp the cost up per month at any given stage once they have a large enough user base, users like yourself, who perhaps have become accustomed to using it and think 'oh well I've just paid a few hundred dollars over the past xxx months then I better carry on as there's no alternative product'.You keep mentioning the word 'hobby' which flight simulation is, a hobby is a past time and whilst fairly important to our wellbeing it is NOT essential. Money talks and if finances get squeezed at LM and the choice comes for 'war on terror or developing a piece of gaming software for the hobbyists' you can for sure tell where the money is going. Imagine the outcry if LM said we cant supply this aircraft because we've used the last of our available funds developing a new airport!!

sigh...

Okay, so I haven't read through the whole posts here but...I don't think you'll see any "official support" from PMDG regarding P3D.The PMDG EULA:

b. You may use the Software for private entertainment purposes only, and may notuse this software to conduct training, aircraft familiarization or other trainingscenarios without acquiring a commercial support license from PMDG in advance....e. You shall not charge non-licensed or licensed owners of this software for useof this software, training in conjunction with this software, or while using thissoftware to demonstrate any technique or process that may be considered training orfamiliarization.

Basically, P3D is a commerical subscription/license based platform that allows one to profit from the use/development of it. That's why it's explicitly not being marketed for a personal-use license (at least now). I don't have a copy of the P3D EULA though so I can't confirm.I assume Ben you have a development license correct? That license allows you to develop within the P3D environment with the assumption that at some stage, you will seek remuneration/reward for said development within that P3D platform. Using the NGX in a simulator with that type of license may be construed as a violation of the PMDG EULA - which is for private, not for profit entertainment.Not to mention the liability issues surround using an addon like this in some commercially operated simulator (for training purposes)...if it was being used in one.This is unless PMDG developed another commercial license option for the NGX...which once again...would bring huge liability issues up...even if prospective Co-Jo's were using it just to practice sim rides...expect big $$$$ for a NGX commercial license to cover liability insurance (like everything in aviation).It's not that big of a deal for something like Orbx to support and develop a separate commerical license. Scenery doesn't have much to do with how the aircraft/whatever you're simulating is behaving...which is what these commercial simulators are about.Basically the PMDG's and Lockheed Martin's P3D EULA's don't really jive.But be happy. It works okay on P3D correct?

The NGX cost me £45, it is a product I now OWN, its not something I rent for 5 yrs and will become void at any stage.

HelloI suggest you read your NGX licence agreement , you do not own it, you are licensed to use it, huge difference.You can install and use it for as long as PMDG's licensing servers are running.There where a lot of PSS customers, myself included who thought as you do "I have bought it so I now own it"Then one day PSS were gone along with the means to install those products we felt we owned.Nothing is forever in this hobby.Glyn

HelloI suggest you read your NGX licence agreement , you do not own it, you are licensed to use it, huge difference.You can install and use it for as long as PMDG's licensing servers are running.There where a lot of PSS customers, myself included who thought as you do "I have bought it so I now own it"Then one day PSS were gone along with the means to install those products we felt we owned.Nothing is forever in this hobby.Glyn

I know where you are coming from Glyn, its sad that piracy has created the need for online activation. I dont really agree with this method as it even leaves FSX at risk, MS goes belly up and millions of users are stuffed if they have to reinstall to product. You wouldnt purchase a car knowing that at anytime the manufacturer could just come and take it back, even despite having no outstanding debt secured on the car, so why does the end user be expected to do it with software that he has paid for upfront?

I know where you are coming from Glyn, its sad that piracy has created the need for online activation. I dont really agree with this method as it even leaves FSX at risk, MS goes belly up and millions of users are stuffed if they have to reinstall to product. You wouldnt purchase a car knowing that at anytime the manufacturer could just come and take it back, even despite having no outstanding debt secured on the car, so why does the end user be expected to do it with software that he has paid for upfront?

Because you haven't bought the software. It's still the intellectual property of the developer/publisher. When buying the ngx all we paid for was their permission to use it in accordance with their license agreement. Same with any other software.

Much as I detest being involved in conversations on this site (because 90% of threads are full of nonsensical rubbish and stirrers), I will participate here for statistical reasons.I have P3d running on my main FSX PC.I also have all the bells and whistles, exactly as I have my FSX drive.Reality is: FSX with NGX crashes after 10 minutes of flight. FSX is sluggish, even with my i7 2600k. P3D with NGX, all my add-ons and REX HD, smooth as silk, no crashesIt's a no-brainer for me.Frank Cooper

Basically, P3D is a commerical subscription/license based platform that allows one to profit from the use/development of it. That's why it's explicitly not being marketed for a personal-use license (at least now). I don't have a copy of the P3D EULA though so I can't confirm.

AFAIK, the fact that it is a commercial license merely allows you to use it in that way. However, that doesn't mean that you *are* using it for commercial purposes. If a copy of P3D is installed and is being used for personal use, then use of the NGX with this installation would fall under "private entertainment purposes only" as that is indeed how you are using it- the particular license details of P3D are in this case irrelevant?Same deal with a 'developer license' - really, a consumer license would be like a subset of a developer license. In other cases, 'developer' access is more about getting access to development tools like SDKs, emulators, extra documentation etc. It doesn't compel you to actually produce something.Each to his or her own as far as payment schemes go- but I'm of the view that when our choices are otherwise FS9 or FSX (and X-Plane but no PMDG for that), having a new option is great, even if not everyone likes it

Like all subscriptions nowdays they will increase each year

screenshots would be nice

LM is a company to make money.-- They could really care less if you buy a Developer License and not develop anything. They can't prove if you are a dev or not! -You're sending them your money to use it. They can not (legally) investigate your PC to see if you are a real dev

Lockheed-Martin will care when Microsoft takes their ESP license away, because of a breach of contract. Microsoft might not investigate your PC, but they sure as hell can read forums where tons of people boast using Prepar3D and flatout say that they aren't developers.

Rex appears to have embraced p3dhttp://www.prepar3d.com/forum-5/?mingleforumaction=viewtopic&t=515.0#postid-2389

screenshots would be nice

Yes....& some more videos on this "fantastic development" wouldn't hurt either:))If you want my money than show me the goods!!!/Rodd