Nevermind, not worth it.

So I'm leaving now.

Thanks for stopping by.

Nevermind, not worth it.

GFWL with other games requires you to login and connect online every time you start a game, and at *some* point it disconnects. Therefore technically no, it doesn't require you to "always remain connected to the internet". However, you still need to phone home to get the game to start, which is what some people who want to play entirely offline have a problem with.

As has been pointed out, this is not the case if you create an offline GFWL profile. The one and only game I have bought that used GFWL was Dirt 2. I only needed to be connected to the internet to activate the game and patch it (so only the first 20 minutes after purchasing it). Thereafter I played through the entire game on the very same computer which - from that point onwards - had no connection whatsoever to the internet.Microsoft seemd to make offline profiles a little less obvious to create - as was mentioned you needed to scroll down before anything else. I remember not knowing how to do it until I found a video on YouTube illustrating how it was done.I imagine that Flight would work in such as way that people can create / use a GFWL offline profile and only require internet access to activate the game, patch it and purchase add-ons such as aircraft and scenery. I can see it working in a very similar way to Rise of Flight, albeit on a different platform.

M$ OWES US - BIGTIME!

HelloMicrosoft owes you nothing, it does not even know you exist, neither did we until 45 posts agoGrow up

Microsoft will do what it thinks will give it the best return in the future - the past is irrelevant. Microsoft owes nothing to the "user base and the developer base".

Business doesnt not really think this way .. the way to make sure you have longevity is to ensure that you hold on to you base and grow new sales .. this is how business thinks!This is exactly what MS has communicated that they are trying to do with Flight.

Business doesnt not really think this way .. the way to make sure you have longevity is to ensure that you hold on to you base and grow new sales .. this is how business thinks!This is exactly what MS has communicated that they are trying to do with Flight.

Base sales from the enthusiasts who visit these forums are far too small to support developing a new version. Revenue will have to come from new sales. Enthusiasts typically spend about $50 with Microsoft every three or four years - that's less than $20/year. Microsoft's real income will be from the casual buyers who we should be grateful for - without them there's be no Flight. On the wider point Microsoft owse us nothing, any more than we owe Microsoft. We bought FS and got what we paid for.

I know its not a guarantee, but considering this words from MS Flight official site , I doesn't seem to be a Hawai-only game/simulator:"Another way to play is flying jobs such as carrying cargo or passengers from one location to another using piloting skills and knowledge to get them to the destination safely. Of course, players can always choose to fly freely without guidance in order to simply enjoy the beauty of the world, fiddle with the knobs and switches in the cockpit, or put an aircraft through its paces. Each of these experiences is different and enriches the game overall, providing short-term and longer-term gameplay."

The facts still stand as Flight been 10GB and XP-10 at 70GB, and if Mathijs said that Hawaii look like it's 3GB by itself I can't see why he will be lying, lets say he's off by 1GB the rest of the world will have to share 8GB.....we can all see how detailed Hawaii is right, so does spending 2 > 3GB on Hawaii sound off to you?

The way both products store their global sceneries is entirely different :

• X plane stores a precomputed mesh as a triangular irregular network (topography) constrained with all kind of geographical features (roads, rivers...) from OSM ;
• FSX builds the mesh on the fly or at load time. It stores the global DEM/land used as a raster with wavelet compression (think JPEG2000) and that allows huge compression rates.

IMHO, 70 GB of data does not mean anything about the quality of a product. The fact that LR uses this as a marketing advantage is taking us for idiots. I hate to get 8 DVDs when 4 would be enough.

The way both products store their global sceneries is entirely different :

• X plane stores a precomputed mesh as a triangular irregular network (topography) constrained with all kind of geographical features (roads, rivers...) from OSM ;
• FSX builds the mesh on the fly or at load time. It stores the global DEM/land used as a raster with wavelet compression (think JPEG2000) and that allows huge compression rates.

IMHO, 70 GB of data does not mean anything about the quality of a product. The fact that LR uses this as a marketing advantage is taking us for idiots. I hate to get 8 DVDs when 4 would be enough.

I understand your point, I also understand that both sim store their sceneries in different way, my point was more about what you get for 10GB.Both sim are different for sure....

I understand your point, I also understand that both sim store their sceneries in different way, my point was more about what you get for 10GB.

Right, probably not the full globe in 7cm orthopotho. But why not a descent set of textures, dem, land use ? I always wondered if Flight would stream data on demand from MS servers... But that would be inconstistent with the requirement of playing offline. Unless you are restricted to the zone where you have been before (cached locally)...Funny pussy by the way.

HelloMicrosoft owes you nothing, it does not even know you exist, neither did we until 45 posts agoGrow up

Unlike you, perhaps, I am a partner. IT BETTER KNOW I EXIST.

Unlike you, perhaps, I am a partner. IT BETTER KNOW I EXIST.

Nonsense, you're just a customer in a sea of a million other customers.'mad dog' is right, they owe us nothing.The exchange was fair and equitable. Regards.Ernie.

Unlike you, perhaps, I am a partner. IT BETTER KNOW I EXIST.

HelloOf course you are, keep taking the meds.

Of course you are, keep taking the meds.

No meds - but I do get the full dividend checks quite regularly, thank you. See, they do know I exist ! A partner, no less.But, seriously, let's stay on the subject - our common passion for MS FS.