LOL I thought of editing my post: I mean, why do I even bother...! But editing won't help anymore after being quoted... BTW @Word Not Allowed, my post wasn't mean personal, so if I offended you (which I probably did) I sincerely apologize. I could have posted what I did in reaction to any other person that would have said something similar... Unfortunately your post was the one that got me into the red zone.

No hard feelings, man. :-)Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Of course they can. But you are so limited that you are basically not using the sim at any higher level than a 10yr old. It comes down from a serious simulator to a game.

It's just this type of sweeping and dismissive generalization that irritates me to no end. It makes me wonder if the person saying it has actually tried that which he's condemning at all...It reads more like a conclusion formed from rumor rather than a serious, objective observation.

But you are so limited that you are basically not using the sim at any higher level than a 10yr old.

Come now.... flying an RV6 in rough weather conditions into various airports,using either IFR or VFR flying techniques, can hardly be described that way.Have you actually tried this sim?

But you are so limited that you are basically not using the sim at any higher level than a 10yr old.

Well. this shows I shouldn't have bothered replying...

No hard feelings, man. :-)

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Edited March 5, 201214 yr by J van E

Word Not Allowed,You should try some of the later landing challenges. It would take a very proficient 10yr old to nail them.

Flight is as casual or as serious as you want to make it. Have you flown many cargo missions? You can even fly the Icon in a serious manner if you wish.If I want "really serious" I'll fire up my space shuttle sim and take the shuttle from cold and dark on the launch pad to cold and dark on the runway, and along the way match orbits with a satellite to retrieve it, all with working panel switches and full procedures.Hook

You should try some of the later landing challenges. It would take a very proficient 10yr old to nail them.

Probably true, but getting gold for those missions, doesn't make you a hardcore simmer either, of course. I think most people who call themselves hardcore simmer (correct me if I'm wrong) focus heavily on airliners and knowing the ins and outs of the systems, doing everything by the book (charts, fmc, calculating fuel) and using VATSIM or something like that for flying real world (long) flights. At least, that's what most hardcore simmers I know look at it. (Maybe Word Not Allowed has another definition.) All of this is not possible in MS Flight. And hence MS Flight can't possibly be a hardcore sim. Period.Maybe the term 'hardcore simmer' has been overused without a clear definition. I think a lot of people have their own definition of it and that doesn't help the discussion, of course!

Maybe the term 'hardcore simmer' has been overused without a clear definition. I think a lot of people have their own definition of it and that doesn't help the discussion, of course!

Yes this is really is an argument of semantics. It depends exactly what you want to simulate. For real life GA pilots flying Flight 'feels' like a closer simulation of their real life experiences whereas complex operations in heavies is what many others consider as a requirement to be called a simulator.

I am hardcore simmer who will not fly anything less than PMDG standards in regard to airliners. I fly GA only in special scenery like that made by Earth Simulations and confine myself to those areas. I was not going to touch Flight with a barge pole but it was free to try. I find that Flight is giving me a very enjoyable GA experience and regard it as complementary to FSX and it may become as important. I am actually very exited about the forthcoming Alaskan add on and believe that if MS get this one right I will be doing most of my GA flying in Flight. Flight Simulator in all its versions have cost a King's ransom in 3rd party addons to make it really worthwhile. I suspect that Flight may turn out be a cheaper option in the future. I can never see myself abandoning FSX for airliner simming.

Flight is as casual or as serious as you want to make it. Have you flown many cargo missions? You can even fly the Icon in a serious manner if you wish.

You must be talking about FSX, because most everything you can do in Flight, you can do in FSX, but not the other way around. FSX can be as casual as you want it to be.I would like to do a little serious flying in Flight, starting with checking the weather en-route. Checking it again when I get to my destination. Have it change unpredictably as I fly. I would like to have to worry about other air traffic and random failures, and failures if I do something spectacularly stupid like exceeding Vmax or pull too many Gs or extend flaps or gear at the wrong speed.To add to my serious flying, I would like to have the air pressure change from time to time, so I would be occasionally properly rewarded by being a lawn dart if I don't set it correctly.Cargo missions don't make for serious flying any more or less than sightseeing. The money MS spent on voice acting should have been spent on implementing at least what I have outlined above.

Word Not Allowed,You should try some of the later landing challenges. It would take a very proficient 10yr old to nail them.

Tell me about it, I am 53 years old, and that Stearman landing challenge 6 is kicking my butt!

Even the latter Icon landing challenges. No 10 year old I know would be able to figure out how to land that thing in a small pond where you have to skim tree tops right before having to flare and touchdown so you can stop in time and not run aground on the other side of the pond.

For real life GA pilots flying Flight 'feels' like a closer simulation of their real life experiences whereas complex operations in heavies is what many others consider as a requirement to be called a simulator.

During the past 16 years or so...................GeofA, and I, would often discuss the methods, in which a motionless desktop sim.............could fill in the blanks in our minds, considering we just see something on a screen, and feel some spring resistance in a joystick or yoke. That's all we have to work with; but it's surprising how small delays in the visuals.......can impart the feeling of dampening, yaw, power to weight, inertia, etc. IMO, the sim that does this best, including proper numbers and control manipulations....wins.

Come now.... flying an RV6 in rough weather conditions into various airports,using either IFR or VFR flying techniques, can hardly be described that way.Have you actually tried this sim?

Take a look at my video on page 2 of this thread, then read this thread where Larry Adamson's (A RV-6A owner) comments on it. It appears the RV has some FDE issues. The Stearman seems ok, and I haven't tried the Icon yet. I don't have the Maule.http://forum.avsim.n...__fromsearch__1

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by tf51d

Tell me about it, I am 53 years old, and that Stearman landing challenge 6 is kicking my butt!

Me too ! I have earned gold in everything else but just cannot seem to nail this particular landing challenge..............yet !To anyone that has........Well Done !!!Fred.

Edited March 5, 201214 yr by RYR738