Just shoot me........

 

In a moment of madness I bought the Wilco TBM850 today.    So I deserve nothing less than the mercy of two long barrells!

 

What an unbelievably horrible product this is.   After the whole Wilco CRJ incident, how on Earth could I have had any hope in Wilco to deliver something even usable??.... What an idiot I am.

 

The Wilco TBM850 makes some laughable claims on it's advertising page on Simmarket, including;-

 

"Fully functional G1000 Controller"

 

and my personal favourite;

 

"Frame Rate Friendly"

 

Apart from the fact that the plane stuttered itself through 12 FPS at a default airport in Florida (KVRB) where I'd be getting 34 FPS in the NGX (as a reference), the Wilco TBM has the exact same critical problem that their CRJ has;  an unusable autopilot.   Modes and values are not even annunciated on the G1000 PFD.     Want to climb in VS mode? .... good luck to you because you will have no idea what VS you have set. :wink:

 

Best of all;   SPD mode just switches on the default FSX autothrottle (yep, that old autothrottle in a turbo-prop again :wink: ), but doesn't even humour the user by giving a knob to adjust speed - so the plane just aims for a speed of 'zero knots' - in other words it pitches up until it stalls.

 

How about FLC mode - a key GFC700 mode used to climb at a set speed according to Pitch? ..... well, press the button all you like, the clickspot will reveal "FLC (off)" no matter how many times you click it.

 

What a truly stunningly horrible product.

 

Seriously, this is at the level now where Wilco should be BANNED from on-line vendors.   Seriously I have spent $ thousands at Simmarket and it really boils my blood that they are selling this utter junk.      Same with Just Flight, who are happy to sell this, along with still selling the CRJ despite it being truly incomplete and unusable (unless you like to hand fly your regional jets through the whole flight regime).

 

Just shameful.    

 

Today's thought for the day;    "Wilco - if you give them your money. You're an idiot that deserves nothing but people's contempt".

 

:smile:

How funny. Earlier today I read somewhere on AVSIM that the TBM 850 from Wilco is junk.

How funny. Earlier today I read somewhere on AVSIM that the TBM 850 from Wilco is junk.

 

Everything from Wilco is junk.

 

The feelThere-developed stuff, that Wilco published in the mid-00s was ok (ERJ etc) but the Wilco internally developed stuff like the CRJ and TBM850 are just true junk.

 

People who buy Wilco stuff should be sectioned under the Mental Health Act.     (I've checked myself in to my local psychiatric facility for assessment).

 

:wink:

If this plane would be at least usable, or different then wilco previous products(other than feelthere made), i guess a big topic or review would have been found somewhere about that. 

 

I must admit i did something similar yesterday after reading some reviews. Not with wilco, but with other developer i don't want to name, becouse In the end they make ok products, but not for me. All are usable, but i have some pretentions this days(in this moment, i have in my hangar and i use only Maddog, PMDG MD11 and NGX and Majestic Q400)

 

But i fixed that today - made a request for refund, and i purchased A2A C172. I fly only airliners, but this is something else, i though this will be useful for my training. 

And what beatiful plane it is. I can't belive what A2A managed to put in this simulation. I flew a real Cessna 172 skyhawk and i am realy impressed like i only was with a couple of planes in my flightsim "career"(see my hangar above).

 

So, if you don't have it already, this plane can make you feel better, just imagine you paid double, it looks undervalued anyway  ^_^  

 

But i agree, people should be warned about wilco. I felt fooled many times with some fully functional products, which had a class comparing to wilco. Marketing is one thing, but this is realy someting else...

Makes you wonder about their upcoming Falcon 7 :unsure:

Don't post bad reviews on simmarket becuse the morons running it won't allow them to be posted once they review them

Very informative...I went to their website and looked up the details...phrases like "every screw, every rivet, grooved tires, raised lettering" sound good but are a clue about how frame rate friendly this plane might be.

 

Thanks for this heads up.

Just shoot me........

 

In a moment of madness I bought the Wilco TBM850 today.

 

 

 

But in other hand, I made the same mistake with Wilco Arbus Evolution Evo 1&2. Stutters a lot on my system, so I'm avoiding to fly their Airbuses.

Don't post bad reviews on simmarket becuse the morons running it won't allow them to be posted once they review them

 

I've said it before on my blog, but IMO there is a real problem with reviews in our hobby (and anyone thinks I'm pointing the finger at anyone in particular, I won't pretend that I'm not part of it).

 

I'm sure the problem isn't that review sites are telling reviewers to give products good reviews or anything, I just think there's a bias against negative reviews. Reviewers don't want to anger devs or risk their position as a reviewer (because of potential fallout regardless of the rules). Furthermore, I believe reviewers that don't like a product avoid reviewing said product at all, which leaves reviewing to only those that do like the product.

 

Given the relatively small and insular nature of this hobby, I doubt this will change on larger sites. But I also believe that reviews by individual simmers with nothing at stake, such as Q_flyer's here, are a positive force and help counterbalance the endless stream of neutral to positive reviews.

The unique thing about Flight Simulation is that there is such a wide spectrum of users and quality and complexity of aircraft to pick from.

There's a little bit of something for everyone.

Just shoot me........

Felt pretty much the same after buying their Avanti a couple of years back ...

To the OP -

 

If you feel this strongly about this purchase, why don't you produce a comprehensive review of the product and post in the Member's Review section here on AVSIM.

 

I'm sure it would be appreciated and beneficial to all our members.

Wilco doing the falcon 7x? Shoot I thought it was just flight. Maybe I'm confusing their hawker with the falcon... Bizjets on the mind!

 

Sorry about your fiasco Dave- you silly goose!

How about overall performance of the TBM 850, such as takeoff, climb, and landing speeds relative to real world TBM? Fuel management? Readability of instruments and accuracy of instruments? Emergency procedures? Are systems failure simulated well? Cabin pressurization simulated? Passenger and cargo weight? Engine and prop sounds?

 

I have been considering buying both the Wilco and Carenado products mostly because I have been a fan of this airframe design.

 

But again as I read the product description on Simmarket the vendor specifically states that functionality and complexity has been reduced to better suit beginner and medium simmers.

How funny. Earlier today I read somewhere on AVSIM that the TBM 850 from Wilco is junk.

 

That may very well have been my post on Carenado with their TBM850 vs the Wilco TBM850. Again just think if Carenado never existed because they are too mid level sim and not like PMDG we would be stuck with the Wilco model only!