Once the updated Vector comes out and the OpenLC NA, plan on ditching UTX all together along with the old FSG US landclass.

Other than their FTX United Kingdom region I'm not sure I'm much interested in any further enhancements of Europe, from any company. I'm eager to see what they will do with south east Asia and the south west Pacific area, however - their AYPY enhancement for FTX Global is superb.
 

So tired of the "you aren't forced to buy it" defense.

Tired you may be, but its simple logic is inescapable. Like the rest of us, these people have mortgages to pay and families to feed, and so they pitch the price at what they think the market will tolerate. If you were in business, you'd do exactly the same, and if people complained, I'm sure your first retort would be 'Well, if you don't like it, don't...' etc.

Personally, I've never once felt that I had been overcharged for any of Orbx's products, and on the very few occasions when I needed help, their technical support has been peerless. I just wish they'd hurry up and do the P3Dv2 installers for their remaining Australian and UK airports.

Edited July 17, 201411 yr by FloG
Removed political remark

I can't believe how much negativity there is about pricing, and a few totally strange comments.

 

For example, people complaining that they have to buy this after already buying global? They're two totally different products!

 

Global isn't (and never was advertised as) a landclass product, it's a texture product which utilises the standard (read...awful) FSX landclass.

 

OpenLC is (and has always been advertised as) an optional addition to the "layers" to add landclass.

 

The only mistake I feel ORBX have made is that they announced pricing about a year or so ago and then came back with a price that was nearly double. However they are quick to point out that this was a mistake and that they added considerably more to it then they had ever anticipated.

 

Personally for me, it's worth every penny as I do almost all of my flying in Europe and this will enhance it on a scale never seen before. I now can't do any flying outside of an ORBX area (even WITH FTX GLOBAL) as I can't deal with looking down on the horrible repeating patterns of landclass offered by the default FSX.

 

I know it's all personal opinion, but £20 for something that changes an entire continent from a bland, repetitive mess into a hugely diverse and visually stunning environment? An absolute steal. Of course if you want to do the whole planet it's going to be expensive, but who realistically flies around the whole planet? For example I do no flying in Africa, Asia or South America so that's three regions I don't need. I also have ORBX Australia so may not even bother with that, so that's 4.

 

Personally, I'd rather have a product that's £20 x 7 regions and be able to get what I need than (say) £100 for the whole globe when I'll only ever use 20% of it.

Well this IS expensive. I have bought Global, Vector, FSGenesis & OpenLC now.

After screenshots I have seen my exceptations are high:

• I expect VFR navigation with avation maps would be now more closer to reality and more fun.
• I expect to have pleasure VFR flights all over the Europe. How many flight hours would that be? Last year my FI flew from northern Poland to Portugal and back in C172 in 32 flight hours. So dozens or maybe hundreds of hours at least.
• I expect continous support in following years (as ORBX stated it will be).

 

If all these would be met I won't regret my money spent.

I know it's all personal opinion, but £20 for something that changes an entire continent from a bland, repetitive mess into a hugely diverse and visually stunning environment? An absolute steal. Of course if you want to do the whole planet it's going to be expensive, but who realistically flies around the whole planet? For example I do no flying in Africa, Asia or South America so that's three regions I don't need. I also have ORBX Australia so may not even bother with that, so that's 4.

 

Personally, I'd rather have a product that's £20 x 7 regions and be able to get what I need than (say) £100 for the whole globe when I'll only ever use 20% of it.

 

Well, us, drivers of the 777. 

Also, Paul posted something important, the exchange rates. Few british pounds = lots and lots of brazilian reais. 

But I don't want to be misunderstood here. Honestly here is what I think: that's the price and if I feel it's too expensive for me, won't buy it. Simple as that...

Well, us, drivers of the 777. 

Also, Paul posted something important, the exchange rates. Few british pounds = lots and lots of brazilian reais. 

But I don't want to be misunderstood here. Honestly here is what I think: that's the price and if I feel it's too expensive for me, won't buy it. Simple as that...

 

Yes of course, everyones needs and expectations are different.

 

Obviously if you don't do much flying in Europe and the "visuals" of the sim aren't that important to you, it's not the product for you.

 

Personally, I can't think of another product that could so radically change an entire continent at a stroke, let alone one that can be obtained so (relatively) cheaply.

 

Let's not forget we're talking about changing an entire continent for less than the cost of ONE payware airport.

I have Global without Vector. I wonder how LC wil work without it. Will i have noticable landscape picture improvement anyway?

And we aren't restricted from having an opinion either.. So tired of the "you aren't forced to buy it" defense.

 

Constant complaining in the forums does nothing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple.

I have Global without Vector. I wonder how LC wil work without it. Will i have noticable landscape picture improvement anyway?

I'm the same as you. From what I've heard we won't have any issues however the scenery would be further enhanced if we had vector.

Tip for everyone: the first user-screenshots usually appears at Orbx forums. I'm going to take a look there... 

Constant complaining in the forums does nothing. If you don't like it, don't buy it. Simple.

Thanks again for your input. And are you someone special that one cannot voice an opinion ?

 

Nothing wrong with two different points of view, and if you cannot handle that, don't read it.

Really??? $40 is too expensive? $200 for FTX Global, Vector and OpenLC Europe seems like a reasonable price for what it does. Considering renting an airplane will set you back $150 an hour, sim flying is relatively cheap. I am sure the people who are complaining probably have other similar products that they paid for and now realize that Orbx products are better and are trying to convince themselves that they shouldn't buy it.

I can't believe how much negativity there is about pricing, and a few totally strange comments.

 

For example, people complaining that they have to buy this after already buying global? They're two totally different products!

 

Global isn't (and never was advertised as) a landclass product, it's a texture product which utilises the standard (read...awful) FSX landclass.

 

OpenLC is (and has always been advertised as) an optional addition to the "layers" to add landclass.

 

The only mistake I feel ORBX have made is that they announced pricing about a year or so ago and then came back with a price that was nearly double. However they are quick to point out that this was a mistake and that they added considerably more to it then they had ever anticipated.

 

Personally for me, it's worth every penny as I do almost all of my flying in Europe and this will enhance it on a scale never seen before. I now can't do any flying outside of an ORBX area (even WITH FTX GLOBAL) as I can't deal with looking down on the horrible repeating patterns of landclass offered by the default FSX.

 

I know it's all personal opinion, but £20 for something that changes an entire continent from a bland, repetitive mess into a hugely diverse and visually stunning environment? An absolute steal. Of course if you want to do the whole planet it's going to be expensive, but who realistically flies around the whole planet? For example I do no flying in Africa, Asia or South America so that's three regions I don't need. I also have ORBX Australia so may not even bother with that, so that's 4.

 

Personally, I'd rather have a product that's £20 x 7 regions and be able to get what I need than (say) £100 for the whole globe when I'll only ever use 20% of it.

 

You MUST have FTX Global to use OpenLC.

Rich, IE11 is giving me problems pasting. Papua New Guinea on the ORBX website, you didn't know?

Yes but I think this is more a regions style addon?

So much negatism from some guys that do not even argue logically. GEX and UTX are way too outdated. FTX GLOBAL and OpenLC plus Vector and any mesh product are the way to go. Look at the screenshots over the orbx forum and see the truth without bias. Then compare them with GEX + UTX. Ouch! And openLC EU does not cost 40 bucks. It costs 37 dollars. At least all those haters of ORBX (Nick Needham is that you?) don't misinform the other members of the community. FTX Global is textures and autogen only, openLC is landclass and much much more (and far from other lc products such as XClass or SceneryTech, that's why it's more expensive). Without openLC you don't have the whole package. And yes FTX Global is required beacuse as mentioned above it's a DIFFERENT product than openLC. That's the way it is. So all those that have invensted in the past building their sim around GEX and UTX (maybe for the whole world) quit bi tching about ORBX and stop being jealous of an overall better product. If you don't want to buy it (because you have already paid a lot investing in other competitive products), then just don't do it.

Sascha, there is no region as its replaced with Global as the base  in PNG