[07FEB15] PMDG 777-200LR/F & 300ER for P3D Released!

[fogboundturtle 2,708]

That's true. But Tabs said that PMDG has to pay considerably higher license fees to make the product for the P3D platform, whether it is used for training or not. I don't think that entertainment-only software vendors like Aerosoft have the kind of relationship with the aircraft manufacturer that PMDG does.

 

My main point is that if you honestly believe that $89.95 is a "rip off" (considering what you get for the money), then you really need to get out in the real world more...

 

No. we don't think 89$ is a ripoff. We think the price for porting a plane from FSX to P3D is a little steep. As a stand alone product, I think the price structure is fine. The issue is that, us, the personal end-user has to pay the price for PMDG acquiring the licensing that has no pertinence to us (commercial license and professional use). I get it. PDMG had to pay a lot more money to bring P3D to the platform. I think everyone understand that. I just wish that stepping stone was not as high.

 

So i  might just hold on to my money for the 737ngx as I don't own it yet. I am totally fine with that price structure.

[PMDG777 231]

That's true. But Tabs said that PMDG has to pay considerably higher license fees to make the product for the P3D platform, whether it is used for training or not. I don't think that entertainment-only software vendors like Aerosoft have the kind of relationship with the aircraft manufacturer that PMDG does.

 

My main point is that if you honestly believe that $89.95 is a "rip off" (considering what you get for the money), then you really need to get out in the real world more...

That is a good point most of the other developers don't have the Airbus/Boeing etc licensing. I'm more a bit miffed by the fact there's zero discount for previous customers of the 777. If they offered a discount where you pay the licensing fee only (the $40 or whatever it comes out to) for a short period of time, then yeah I'd accept that. The thing is it's not $89.95, its $139.95. A one day sale doesn't count. For $140 I could go up in a REAL plane for 30 minutes! Heck for $140 I could fly somewhere on an airline! I get they're a small company and the licensing is expensive, I honestly do. It's just the complete blind eye to the loyal customers who've already bought the 777 for FSX and get treated the exact same.

Chris-

 

I'm sorry you keep getting taken out- but a few of your posts have been more about venting your frustration than engaging in discussion.  It isn't about you personally- but we do have to maintain civil discourse forum wide...

Thanks Rob, I'll keep it calm.

[AviatorMoser 353]

The fact is customers who already bought the 777 for FSX have to pay AGAIN for the SAME version which has NO ADDITIONAL features.

 

Well, no one is forcing anyone to repurchase it. If you feel like PMDG is acting like North Korea, you should actually do the opposite and choose to not re-buy it.

 

On a side note: Does the MD-11 work in P3D?

[PMDG777 231]

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Dude relax. It's not that big of deal. Nobody is forcing you to buy it......

[RW1 615]

 

 

It's just the complete blind eye to the loyal customers who've already bought the 777 for FSX and get treated the exact same.

 

This is not FSX, its P3d, Its based on Microsoft ESP, LM have paid for the rights to develop this training Simulator. PMDG have paid for a license to develop a product to work in it, regardless of previous loyalty and what u bought for FSX you all need to go have a think about why its priced like this and the majority of us are happy to pay it. Its not FSX.

[Anxu00 176]

For those of you who have bought the license, could you please report back on whether you can fly this bird without oom with P3D? Money discussion aside, my early experience with P3Dv2 does not give me a whole lot of confidence. Any special note from PMDG on this issue? There were many "advices" on how to have complex airliner flight without oom, but I certainly don't want to pay 90 bucks to find out.

 

Thanks in advance.

[PMDG777 231]

This is not FSX, its P3d, Its based on Microsoft ESP, LM have paid for the rights to develop this training Simulator. PMDG have paid for a license to develop a product to work in it, regardless of previous loyalty and what u bought for FSX you all need to go have a think about why its priced like this and the majority of us are happy to pay it. Its not FSX.

Both FSX and P3D are based on ESP. While P3D is a training simulator, the 777 license is not a training license! As far as I've seen, the majority are not "happy to pay for it". Go back through this thread and count the number of positive and negative and you'll see its not "the majority". A lot of people feel let down

[JRBarrett 3,049]

That is a good point most of the other developers don't have the Airbus/Boeing etc licensing. I'm more a bit miffed by the fact there's zero discount for previous customers of the 777. If they offered a discount where you pay the licensing fee only (the $40 or whatever it comes out to) for a short period of time, then yeah I'd accept that. The thing is it's not $89.95, its $139.95. A one day sale doesn't count. For $140 I could go up in a REAL plane for 30 minutes! Heck for $140 I could fly somewhere on an airline! I get they're a small company and the licensing is expensive, I honestly do. It's just the complete blind eye to the loyal customers who've already bought the 777 for FSX and get treated the exact same.

I understand your point, but the P3D version won't stay "the same" for long. P3D is an evolving platform. There are already substantial differences between P3D 2.4 and FSX, "under the hood", and that evolution will continue, As new features and capabilites are added to P3D, the 777 will evolve too, to take advantage of those new features - something that will NOT happen with the FSX version. Robert mentioned a few posts up the page from this one, that the P3D version of the 777 (and NGX) will be continually updated well into version 3 of P3D at no additional cost.

 

I would tend to think that the current P3D products from other vendors, (that are basically ports of their equivalent FSX versions) will remain static.

[Irishcurse 234]

Both FSX and P3D are based on ESP. While P3D is a training simulator, the 777 license is not a training license! As far as I've seen, the majority are not "happy to pay for it". Go back through this thread and count the number of positive and negative and you'll see its not "the majority". A lot of people feel let down

This forum is a tiny fraction of their customers. People can choose to not like and and not buy it. That is up to the individual. Myself I am contemplating buying it now but I don't have prepared installed. Not sure if I want to install it right now but the discount of buying the T7 now is significant. Just finished a flight in the T7 for FSX. I love this aircraft.

 

Would you consider a 64 bit version the same sim? They aren't charging more when P3D makes that leap.

[Mark_A 31]

Can anyone confirm if the virtual cockpit view position shifting issue still exists?

[JRBarrett 3,049]

Charge me for something more, not for the same exact thing on the same exact sim. Charge me for Multi crew on P3D-64. Don't charge me for promises.

It sucks in a way, but I'm done dealing with this company. Thank you for the great products.

As I pointed out before, since you don't even own P3D, you don't have a dog in this fight, so why are you acting like PMDG has wronged YOU personally?

 

Also, if you go back to Robert's original post at the top of this same thread, announcing the release of the 777 for P3D, please note that it is NOT "the same" as the FSX version. Yes, the feature set might be identical today, February 8, 2015... BUT, P3D, (unlike FSX) is under continual development, and as new features and capabilites are added to the platform, the 777 will be updated to take advantage of them - something which will not happen with the FSX version, since FSX "is what it is", now and forever.

[JohnSmith 0]

Before I say anything else, let me just say that I seriously respect the work that PMDG does for the community. I own the majority of their products and think that they're almost incomparable to other addons at the moment. With that said, I am very disappointed to learn about the pricing for the P3D version of the 777. I know the different licensing structure makes it difficult to price these products competitively, but I just don't understand why other developers can release free or heavily discounted P3D versions of their aircraft, yet PMDG cannot. With the price as high as it is, I fear that PMDG will put too much work into a product that nobody will be able to afford. 

 

If I had ANY authority on the subject, I'd say that if there is a similar pricing structure for the 737, 747, and J41, switching to P3D will not only be a serious financial burden on us simmers, but it will also negatively effect PMDG in terms of financial success.

[thomazz123 11]

Attention. If PMDG is holding a gun against your head and forcing you to purchase this please call the police. Stop complaining about it. This is a new platform. There are other options out there for T7 P3d version. I Personally am getting this and I'd pay another 90 bucks for the 64b if and when gets release. This is a hobby and you get what you pay for. This is the rolls Royce of flight simulator. Thank you for supporting P3D and can't wait for you XPLANE goodie to be released.

Jus wanted to add this. For all the so called " loyal customers " that feel betrayed, PMDG went out of their way to make the T7 work on Fsx se edition FOR FREE in which for my part I thought it was a completely waiste of time when they already have their hands full with P3D and xplane.

[Baylorguy 39]

Thanks Captain, happy to support PMDG and have been waiting for this!  Downloading both right now!

[MauB 74]

Thank you PMDG! Now I can finally move into P3D.

 

Can anyone confirm if the virtual cockpit view position shifting issue still exists?

 

I second that question.