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After spending quite a bit of  time with the default Boeing 737 I am looking for a slightly more advanced version. Somewhere between default and PMDG level would be great as I don't feel ready to take on one of those yet. Can anyone recommend one. ( if it works in both boxed and Steam editions what would be brilliant)

 

Darran

 

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No point going inbetween. There is only one choice. 

 

The PMDG can be as simple or as complex as you like depending on what you want to simulate. For instance, loading up the aircraft as per the tutorial you can be in the air in 10 mins or so.

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Darren

 

Would highly recommend the PMDG. It is as simple or as complex as you like. For example you can have it start with all engines running and ready for flight.  Manually it flies really well, much better than default FS aircraft. The great thing with the PMDG 737NGX is that at the heart of the aircraft is an FMC which can be pre-programmed to fly to any 3D point in space - or you can switch the FMC off and it flies like a big Cessna 150.

 

Keeping it simple, you would be in the air in 10 mins.  If you learnt 2 new things each flight:-

 

after 10 flights you would have a basic knowledge that would allow you to operate the aircraft anywhere in the world

after 40 flights you would be competent

after 100 flights you would be proficient 

but you never stop learning and that is why I like PMDG so much.

 

Roy

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The answer you were always going to get was the above ^ once you've sampled what it offers you, you'll always draw comparisons to other software in the same bracket. If you feel your hardware is capable, then take the leap you'll get hours of enjoyment from it. Learn a huge amount of stuff and never look back. It's your choice really but don't let the complexity of it put you off. The manuals are well written and will guide you step by step and take you as deep into the simulation as you wish to go.

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You could also look at MilViz's excellent 737-200 as a learning tool. An aircraft that should help you as IMHO it is a stepping stone to the level of the PMDG. And it has been well-received here in this Forum.

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While it hasnt been released yet, my guess is that the Qualitywings 737CL will be what you are looking for. You could check out their BAe 146 in the meantime.

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Nothing more improved than the NGX. The PMDG is easy to fly since everything operates as it is supposed to. It is very easy to hand fly and the auto flight system can do basic things and allows you to learn as you go getting into the more complicated flight plan programming. Throw in FS2Crew that gives you a second set of hands to do things and it is near perfect. I think people get very intimidated by it unnecesarily. It really is fantastic and worth every penny.

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Like most other people that posted here, I also recommend the PMDG 737 NGX. I purchased that aircraft after only about 2-3 weeks of experience in FSX. At that point, I wasn't even comfortable flying the default FSX aircraft except the Cessna 172, but I still decided to take the leap to an advanced simulation of a very (to my experience) complex aircraft, and I didn't regret it one bit. In the beginning I just kept replaying the tutorial flights, and after a while when I got comfortable flying by myself I started using Simbrief to create my own flight plans, and before I knew it I was doing all the startup and preflight procedures and the flights by myself without any tutorials or guides, and boy it really is a good feeling! The 737 NGX is an awesome aircraft that (despite it's intimidating first impression) really is not that hard to master.

Short version: I highly recommend getting the PMDG 737, you won't regret it :-)

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OP asked for something "between" default and PMDG, not an NGX endorsement. I second the iFly 737NG. Great value as mentioned above.

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I would also have to recommend the iFly, out of the two NG's available I enjoy the iFly more.

I get better fps, the VAS usage is less and the VC is better (apart from the textures) the actual modeling of the VC just looks more real. And It has great Goflight support for my hardware.

The PMDG is also a great product but something draws me back to the iFly.

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I get better performance in the PMDG, but hardly fly it because the VC just doesn't look like a 737. So I fly Ifly. I even use the default 737 VC, which merges perfectly with the Ifly737 and use the Ifly gauges. I get very good performance this way, but still enjoy a more complex 737.

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So I fly Ifly. I even use the default 737 VC, which merges perfectly with the Ifly737 and use the Ifly gauges. I get very good performance this way, but still enjoy a more complex 737.

 

I prefer the iFly v1.02 rather than the latest updates 3.1 and 3.23, on my machine the performance is much better, also the VC gauge reflections do not look good under DX10, way too reflective to the point of being distracting.

v1.02 is the sweet spot here.

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Another vote for the iFly, because you get all variants and features with a single investment while having 30 days to test the package. The Flight1 money back policy cannot be praised enough.

 

The tutorial docs coming with the plane should allow for a proper learning experience.

 

Not sure if there's something in between the default 737 and the detailed renditions like NGX and iFly. One possibility might be a freeware enhancement package like this, enhancing the VC and some gauges.

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OP asked for something "between" default and PMDG, not an NGX endorsement. I second the iFly 737NG. Great value as mentioned above.

IFly is about the same complexity - QW or CS in in between but neither has a 737

 

NGX is the one to get. OP - I'm a GA guy and the NG is the only tube I fly. Just do the tutorial flights and that's all you'll ever need to know.

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One possibility might be a freeware enhancement package like this, enhancing the VC and some gauges.

 

This is what I would recommend. I have this package and have never felt the need to move up to the iFly or PMDG. Best of all the price is right, it's freeware!

 

That being said I fly bush/float planes, helicopters, fighters and GA aircraft more than tubeliners; so my opinion probably doesn't count for much.

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That looks like a good option. It mentions a working FMC but if that's not up to par, one can get the ISG FMC. I used it with success before the iFly.

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Thank you for all the advice guys. I decided to go with the I fly for FSX as this is my main sim at the moment and I have purchased the PMDG for P3D ( its on sale at a reduced price right now). Am going to give the i fly a try out first before I progress onto the PMDG, Looks like I have lots of learning too. I find Youtube very useful :)

 

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I get better performance in the PMDG, but hardly fly it because the VC just doesn't look like a 737. So I fly Ifly. I even use the default 737 VC, which merges perfectly with the Ifly737 and use the Ifly gauges. I get very good performance this way, but still enjoy a more complex 737.

May I ask why you don't think the PMDG doesn't look like a real 737? After 7000 hours in the real thing I am still impressed how nicely done the PMDG is. Sure there are a couple things but to say it doesn't look like the real thing?

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QWsim 757 is easy to fly, plenty of repaints, good quality, half the price of the PMDG and is  a good introduction to using the FMS and flying STARS and SIDS which can't be done with the default 737

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The PMDG is the lesser product compared to the iFly. The iFly has as much and more features then the pmdg model

 

What features does iFly have that PMDG don't?

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What features does iFly have that PMDG don't?

The only feature I can think of is more realistic cockpit geometry, although as a whole I believe the pmdg has much better graphics and more accurate colors.  However I do believe the best thing about the pmdg is what is behind the scenes.  I remember reading one of mike rays books on the real 737, there was a part of the book that mentioned this anomaly of the 737 where the overwing exits had some "play" when unpressurized on the ground and sometimes would throw a door indication on the overhead that would disappear when they were jolted into position upon applying takeoff thrust.  Sure enough, I experienced this exact behavior on the pmdg 737.  I also read a post by RSR regarding the ngx when it was still unreleased, he said that the amount of time it took the fmc to calculate various commands would change based on the flightdeck temperature.  These are just some of the things that put pmdg products in a class all their own and make them worth every penny.

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The PMDG is the lesser product compared to the iFly. The iFly has as much and more features then the pmdg model plus you get the BBJ's and the -700ER which is fun to fly long haul.

Better value for more wins out in my books.

Not a chance

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