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How Do You Use Default ATC?

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I wondered how everyone flies airliners .... I only fly them now and then, I'm a more committed bush pilot. 

 

a - Do you follow default ATC instructions IFR right down to ILS approach they give you?

 

b -  Do you ignore ATC after climb, and follow your own flight plan, predicting the RNWY to land on based o wind direction?

 

 

I've found that a) is often very good at getting you on the glidescope, and I always find it. But there are sometimes strange instructions. 

 

I've tried b but traffic can get in your way, or wind direction change so you are headed for the wrong end of the runway! And of course you have to carefully calculate our descent and find the glidescope yourself...

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a) Of course. Well, except when default ATC screws up. Then I'll merrily do what I think is best to get to my destination.

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Erm, that's "glidesLope"... :Secret:

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When we follow default ATC we have the option to tune in as and when we feel like it. But re-establish contact way before descent and we get an approach, we then confirm the runway direction, but we can also choose our desired approach instead. Generally the ATC works great, but if it's coping with, say an airport that has runway with only one taxi entrance/exit, then AI getting in each others way can unsettle the ATC.

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The best program I have found for controlling AI when using the default ATC program is AISmooth_V120. This program will remove all the AI out of your area so you can land (most of the time).

 

Best regards,

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The best program I have found for controlling AI when using the default ATC program is AISmooth_V120. This program will remove all the AI out of your area so you can land (most of the time).

 

You're mixing up Traffic Optimizer and AI Smooth.

 

TrafficOptimizer: Remove AI aircraft from the surrounding area.

AI Smooth: Ensure proper spacing between approaching aircraft by speeding them up or slowing them down.

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You're mixing up Traffic Optimizer and AI Smooth.

 

TrafficOptimizer: Remove AI aircraft from the surrounding area.

AI Smooth: Ensure proper spacing between approaching aircraft by speeding them up or slowing them down.

Never heard of Traffic Optimizer but believe you.

 

Best regards,

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Erm, that's "glidesLope"... :Secret:

That's an easy gaffe to make if you are a, Doctor, Electronics Service Technician, Astronomer, or Microbiologist.

 

 

 

 

Stethoscope or Endoscope, Oscilloscope, Telescope, Microscope.

 

 

 

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Only ever used the default fs9 ATC a couple of times when I first bought the sim, that was enough to make me buy Radar Contact back when you had to wait for the CD to arrive in the mail.

Best money I ever spent on the hobby, the default ATC is of little use for anyone who fly's exclusively in Europe.

But even with the defaults short comings it is streets ahead of the Xplane 10 ATC, MS put some serious work into those voices all those years ago.

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To much unrealism with artificial intelligent ATC. I file so I can load the flight plan in ASN then just monitor the appropriate frequency enroute for the chatter. I usually fly a STAR or just vector myself to final and use TCAS for spacing. 

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Don't forget that if AI traffic is bothering you and you want to remove it temporarily, all you have to do is change the time, even by just 1 second...

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Wehn I fly airliners I pretty much ignore them in IFR on the way up, only paying attention ot the height restrictions. As soon as I am on cruising altitude and get a change to a new frequency, I tune in but don´t report m,y precence. Thus I can go away, read and do something and the FMS flies in the meantime. I rerestablish contact before decent and try to follow them back to the runway. Works pretty well.

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Don't forget that if AI traffic is bothering you and you want to remove it temporarily, all you have to do is change the time, even by just 1 second...

You can also set a key stroke in FSUIPC to zap AI in your vicinity, like if you come up on another plane when your on final or if a plane overtakes you on final, you can just hit a key and zap it (make it vanish). Works well if your on the taxi way and don't want to wait for the 5 planes in front of you to take off, just zap them and take the number 1 slot :-)

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Personally, I use default ATC for VFR - it's actually really good for this.  

 

For IFR, I don't use it all.   I simply "imagine" all instructions from ATC (and bizarrely, they always suit me perfectly!  :lol: ), and then follow my imagined instructions.

 

Eg... on the ground, I imagine my initial clearance, say, 6,000, and then when I am climbing out and approaching that, I imagine further climb clearances, headings, SID / STAR clearances.

 

Default ATC for IFR is painful and although I've bought and tried a couple of addon ATC programs (Radar Contact and VoxATC) non were keepers for me.

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I used to use the default ATC, but since I only fly airliners, I keep the frequency tuned to I can hear some chatter. But I do the following

1) Program a flight plan

2) Put in the SID

3) Get ground charts online and and file my own taxi route

4) If there are AI in front of me, it depends on my time I'll either go through them or get in line

5) Assign my own clearances and constraints (Somehow they all work perfectly for me too!)

6) During cruise assign my STAR and landing RW as close to procedure as I can find on the internet

7) After landing I allow default FSX to assign me to a gate and follow their route (I feel comfortable doing this as I have my ATC parking codes set)

 

Done!

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As with most people here, I use it when it suits me and seems to add to realism, and ignore it at all other times. Eg sometimes the most popular or best fitting SID will be one which relies on radar vectors and so I am happy in those cases to let MS guide me. Otherwise I choose what's best for me/is most realistic.

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Two programs gave default FSX ATC some new life for me. First, with all versions of Active Sky prior to ASN, default ATC would rarely ever assign the correct landing runway, so it was worthless even for the simplest of tasks. That changed with ASN. Next program was Multicrew Experience, which fully interfaces with the default ATC. It is immersive to have the virtual first officer interact with the controllers. Enroute, I don't bother with ATC. I only use it for taxi, takeoff, and landing clearances.

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I use default ATC right up to descend, at which point I request VFR then request Flight Following until I am on the glideslope. When on Glideslope I tune the tower and it gives you landing clearance to land on the runway.

 

Reason being is the vectoring in FSX is horrible, absolute worst part of the programming so I just do real world approaches instead. 

 

I do a lot of real world routes based on what is found on FlightAware and usually fly a route from earlier that day, retrace its exact steps from gate to gate, Also ASN historic flight option is great for this as it injects the same weather from that time. 

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AI Smooth: Ensure proper spacing between approaching aircraft by speeding them up or slowing them down.

 

 

No that's "AISeparation" "AI Smooth" will send AI too close into holding patterns.

 

 

Reason being is the vectoring in FSX is horrible, absolute worst part of the programming so I just do real world approaches instead.

 

Actually it's very logical once you understand what it's doing! It will vector you on a parallel course to the runway, either upwind or downwind  Depending on your direction of approach. At around 27nm from runway threshold it will turn you on basically a Base leg Then it will give you the final approach instruction that will put you on a angled course to the localizer. There's a problem though. Unlike your Flightplan which accounts for course deviation due to wind, The approach vectors do not. So as you deviate from the virtual course it plotted when you reach a point, usually a 4nm deviation, ATC will re-vector you back on the virtual plotted course. This is why it seems ATC is issuing unnecessary vectoring instructions.

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Actually it's very logical once you understand what it's doing!

 

But it doesn't reflect what is going on in the real world. For example this route into Laguardia runway 22:

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA1200

FSX doesn't come anywhere close to that, it will turn you much sooner and vector you in the wrong places.

 

Also FSX ATC is the same programming going back since FS2004 so if you keep following it then that is over 10 years of doing the same approaches. I understood how it worked back in FS2004 and didn't like it even then.

 

I prefer to stick as close to real world flights as possible. SIDS and STARS are good too

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Some good tips here.  Going to have to try that bit about requesting VFR on descent, then flying whatever real world approach you want, then tuning the tower for landing clearance.

 

Most of the time I've just been acting as my own ATC. I can finish a flight and then say 'That controller was one very co-operative and patient chap!'. ^_^

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But it doesn't reflect what is going on in the real world. For example this route into Laguardia runway 22:

 

http://flightaware.c.../flight/WJA1200

 

FSX doesn't come anywhere close to that, it will turn you much sooner and vector you in the wrong places.

I didn't say it was realistic, just that it was logical :lol:

Actually if FSX didn't have that revectoring issue, it wouldn't be that far off from this. The only difference would be it would plot a parallel course vs a straight in course. More similar to this approach into runway 4

 

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA1200/history/20150310/1100Z/CYYZ/KLGA

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Actually if FSX didn't have that revectoring issue, it wouldn't be that far off from this. The only difference would be it would plot a parallel course vs a straight in course. More similar to this approach into runway 4

 

Yes this is true. It is programmed a certain way and sometimes it works great. I will admit sometimes I do use discretion and just use the FSX default vectoring in some cases.

 

But for me the real fun comes in looking what is going on daily through Flightaware as they do change things from time to time and closely match a route as close as I can.

 

The PMDG FMC with Navigraph Updates is like a dream these days as the database has so much more now you can closely follow the real routes now. 

 

Navigraph has airport charts too now that is really a must have as well. I highly recommend them:

 

http://www.navigraph.com/

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The default ATC achieves something no addon ATC gets close to. The voices are pretty decent. They might be US-only accents. They might vector you the long way round on approach. They might use a few non-standard phrases. As said above, you have to dip in and out when flying SIDS, STARS and updated approaches. But none of the addon ATC packages come anywhere near to the default voice quality.

 

It's all to do with very careful editing of phrases. It is extremely difficult to make triggered voices sound natural, but it is possible. The default ATC is very clever at making sure single digit numbers or repeated numbers do not come out robotic. The inflections in the voices are miles better than any addon. The volumes are consistent - nothing jumps out. Number strings are smoothly expressed and there is a natural fall at the end of phrases.

 

Compare and contrast to every so-far published ATC addon which have some excellent procedures spoiled by poorly edited, poorly recorded, ill-thought-out voices, which sound amateur, unconvincing and not in the least authentic, or worse still those horrible voice packs of the type that make YouTube how-to videos sound comically naff! For me the voice quality (and by that I mean authentically low-fi and actually sounds like a pilot/controller) is the most important aspect, without which I'd rather just see text-based instructions.

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