June 1, 201511 yr Fresh. I spent a lot of years at the airport, around nicely appointed experimental class airplanes. Lancairs, Glasairs, RV's, etc. A lot of work went into these airplanes, and most owners keep them sharp looking, and clean. On the other side, is beat up rentals, with fading and torn glareshields, scratched and hazy windscreens, non working auto-pilots, etc. I prefer planes, even the older ones, that had a lot of care from the owner. Like what you'd see at Oshkosh displays, where the owners show them off, instead of just flying them like a used tool.
June 2, 201511 yr I'm really starting to appreciate planes and cockpits that look like they've been "used". Stan
June 3, 201511 yr I believe this would fit in the worn category. It was taken in the cockpit of an A321 this morning.
June 3, 201511 yr Moderator In real life I like a nice clean cockpit and cabin, but since I have always rented my entire life, those have been few and far between. I usually end up with a Cessna or Piper that was built in the 60's, 70's or 80's and has a lot of wear and tear. In the sim I prefer a little bit of wear, about like what PMDG did with the NGX, but have found that what Captsim does is a little more wear and tear than I prefer. I believe this would fit in the worn category. It was taken in the cockpit of an A321 this morning. Nice Mike, I want to replace you when you retire. Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
June 3, 201511 yr Nice Mike, I want to replace you when you retire. Sean, We're always looking for a few good men.
June 3, 201511 yr No strong preference either way. We are all connected..... To each other, biologically...... To the Earth, chemically...... To the rest of the Universe atomically. Devons rig Intel Core i5 13600K @ 5.1GHz / G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB Series Ram 64GB / GIGABYTE GeForce RTX 4070 Ti GAMING OC 12G Graphics Card / Sound Blaster Z / Meta Quest 2 VR Headset / Klipsch® Promedia 2.1 Computer Speakers / ASUS ROG SWIFT PG279Q ‑ 27" IPS LED Monitor ‑ QHD / 1x Samsung SSD 850 EVO 500GB / 2x Samsung SSD 860 EVO 1TB / 1x Samsung - 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe / 1x Samsung 980 NVMe 1TB / 2 other regular hd's with up to 10 terabyte capacity / Windows 11 Pro 64-bit / Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite AX Motherboard LGA 1700 DDR5
June 3, 201511 yr Always fresh. The worn look distracts me. I've been in real commercial airliners and for the most part there is some wear. I'd rather not deal with it in a flight sim. "I am the Master of the Fist!" -Akuma
June 3, 201511 yr Moderator Sean, We're always looking for a few good men. Mike, you've got mail. Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
June 3, 201511 yr Commercial Member To me it all depends on the aircraft. For example, I want my expensive and sporty Lancair Legacy to be pretty darn near mint, whereas I'd expect my C185 or An-2 to have a bit of wear from many years of use going on. Lately I've spent most of my sim hours in the 4X DA20, and that shows about a perfect level of appropriate wear. The MV B55 is a good example of appropriate wear as well, as is the Aerosoft Twin Otter. So officially, I'm on both sides of the fence. It just depends on the aircraft. ^_^ Jim Stewart Milviz Person.
June 3, 201511 yr A little wear and tear in a 60 year old cockpit makes it realistic, but not too much, even an old aircraft can be cleaned up before it gets a new life and, for example, the Milviz 737-200 is way over the top for me. To me this one looks like it belongs on the scrapyard, instead of in the air. Cheers! Maarten
June 3, 201511 yr Factory Fresh please. Having bought new software I want it to look lthe same. Gordon
June 3, 201511 yr Moderator A little wear and tear in a 60 year old cockpit makes it realistic, but not too much, even an old aircraft can be cleaned up before it gets a new life and, for example, the Milviz 737-200 is way over the top for me. To me this one looks like it belongs on the scrapyard, instead of in the air. What do you think of this real world 737-200C? It was one of the reference aircraft for Milviz. Note the 'green' where the paint has worn, and the real world grunge on the overhead's most often used switches and knobs. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
June 3, 201511 yr Another thing you'll see is graffiti written in little nooks and crannies. Usually having to do with management or an unpopular member of the profession.
June 3, 201511 yr Worn but not dirty. The World is divided into two groups. Those who say "Give me a link" and those that provide the link. WWG1WGA
June 3, 201511 yr Well since my name came up... :o My actual preference is for the cockpit to be representative of the typical condition of the type in question. So, for example, I appreciate that my RealAir Lancair Legacy is in very nice condition indeed (though not unrealistically perfect) as that's how most are going to look. On the other hand, the Cessna 404 was used in charter, very short hop scheduled flight and cargo hauling. A typical example is NOT going to look like a well-loved and meticulously built Lancair, it's going to look pretty rough within a few short months of delivery and for the rest of its workaday life. Horses for courses and all that, but even the best cared for planes will have a little bit of wear and tear. Scott
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