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Discussion Thread for the "Ask Dovetail Games..." Thread!

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Correct me if I'm wrong but those panel shots appear to be from the cub so still no pics of the cherokee interior. :(

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    I understand where you guys are coming from, but I tend to disagree if one considers these points. FSX Steam Edition is the most successful Flight Simulator ever on Steam. More sales in a few months

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Looking forward for this, day and night :-)

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Well, Mutleys got a preview copy......... http://forum.mutleyshangar.com/index.php?/topic/20165-dovetail-games-flight-school-new-preview-shots/

 

It seems all a part and parcel parcel of what we've been seeing/hearing all along, essentially a souped up FSX. Many will find that very reassuring, as it seems like the DTG experience will be much like fitting into a worn and comfortable old shoe that's just been resoled.

 

I'm sure I'll have fun with both Flightschool and DTG sim, I just feel this vague sense of barely quantifiable ennui, though.

 

I'm really tired of FSX; even in a sparkling new gown.........  :unsure:

 

Pretty, though.

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It's like FSX:SE but on steroids and with a new interface, a 1000 x performance boost and no OOMs

 

Thats what I wanted to hear....

That means nothing. FSX stock also get tons of fps and no OOMs. And we all know that Orbx Global textures are not really heavy on performance.

 

Remember for who Flight School is aimed at, and wait for their Flight Sim to be released and have addons in it to actually judge fps and OOMs (sorry Melchor, this is more about everyone and less about your quoted message, but you got what i am saying)

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Mutley :-

The default aircraft are much better than FSX default but not a patch on the top end aircraft presently available for FSX.

 

Rather harsh.

Is He referring to in cockpit controls and flight dynamics? Because visually (apart from WIP shadows) that Cherokee looks fantastic.

Not sure if people are only popping in here (rather than looking elsewhere) to see if there are any updates.

If so you might have missed these two (linked from DTG Flight Schools Twitter account).

 

Helisimmer - (small review of the alpha)

https://t.co/tst8DYwrHk

 

Novawing24 - (half hour video review of the alpha including settings pages, freeflight, flightplanner etc, part of a new mini series on the product)

 

This is an interesting excerpt from Helisimmer...

I changed the weather so that I could fly through a storm and I have to say that the physics seemed much more brutal than in FSX. I had much more difficulty controlling the aircraft through the rough winds than I usually have in FSX which is making me suspect that the flight model had some pretty hard work done on it.

 

 

My own 2c, it's looking very good :smile:

Oh dear, those ATC voices are hilarious LOL.

 

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Tim Stone's review of the preview build on Rock Paper Shotgun:

 

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2016/05/06/the-flare-path-dovetail-games-flight-school-preview/

 

Some interesting comments there, from the guy that holds down the wargame/flight sim desk on an otherwise "gamer" site (presumably the target market). Also a bunch of new screenshots.

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Based on the screenshots I have seen, I agree with him as far as the graphics are concerned. As for the flight lessons, it sounds to me like they are very short and basic, which is disappointing. The more I see and hear about DTG Flight School, the more convinced I am that it is not worth a place on my hard disk. Only time will tell whether DTG Flight Simulator will suffer the same fate.

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One of today's screenshots from DTG's facebook page.

Considerable improvement there.

 

I asked Martin recently if cloud blending (fading the clouds in the distance with the environment colour) would be adjusted for the release version, He said not. I think that's a shame as from a technical standpoint (I suspect) it's low hanging fruit and would add a huge amount to the realism.

 

Still, this is very nice...

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After watching all the new videos in the other thread, I'm not sure what to say.

 

Yeah, graphically, it's a disappointment. I think we've all figured that out. The new ATC voices are terrible. The Flight lessons are exactly what they told us they wouldn't be (they said they wouldn't just be voice overs with visual paths like FSX's lessons were, but that's what they clearly are).

 

But the thing that bothered me the most was the flight dynamics I've witnessed so far. It doesn't look like they even bothered to model stall characteristics. When he stalls the Cub, the plane doesn't even respond at Vs1 and airspeed goes all the way to zero (keep in mind the cub ASI starts at 20mph). And when it finally does lose lift, it gently floats down to the horizon and that's it. Now, if they didn't bother to even put a placeholder stall effect in, why should I feel good about the quality of the rest of the flight model?

 

None of the lack of attention to detail I've seen so far gives me much confidence in what they are doing. If some want to keep painting unicorns on this or responding to every criticism with "well, I'm sure it'll be fixed!"...then go ahead. But this is starting to feel more and more like the disappointment I ended up feeling with Flight.

 

 


Based on the screenshots I have seen, I agree with him as far as the graphics are concerned. As for the flight lessons, it sounds to me like they are very short and basic, which is disappointing.

Well, the flight lessons might be easy to pass for experienced simmers, someone like you I suppose. But you are not really the target market. And I'm sure an absolute beginner will take quite a while to pass them - certainly sufficient time to justify the modest price paid for Flight School.

Andreas

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None of the lack of attention to detail I've seen so far gives me much confidence in what they are doing. If some want to keep painting unicorns on this or responding to every criticism with "well, I'm sure it'll be fixed!"...then go ahead. But this is starting to feel more and more like the disappointment I ended up feeling with Flight.

 

Here's what Frooglesim has to say about Flight School. It seems that indeed a lot of stuff is not quite finished yet, including the flightmodel.

 

https://youtu.be/uJf8bRLN35M

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