FSX-MS FS Labs A320 FSX release set for 18 Aug

[pete_auau]

Quite frankly I've never seen it before from a major vendor, especially when for years we've heard it will be "ready when it's ready". It seems maybe it's not quite ready, so it is effectively a public beta.

 

Yea  ah2 did the same  I believe(could  be  wrong  though)  released  a beta  version before  they released the full version,  anyways iam sure  fsl  labs had their reasons for  doing  it  this  way for  what ever it  was,  for install  or  other  small issues,  the main thing I guess its  finally out  at last.  Beside  another  2or 3  weeks  wait   is  not  going  to make  any difference  apparently  to  some  it   does. Rather wait  a little longer  than have to put in a support  ticket  in for  a  failed  install. The only  issue  I  found  is for some  users the release was made whilst  some were asleep  etc  they  could  have made  2  release  windows  to cater for  both

[groentesoep]

If the release the product to Early Adopters because they want to make sure the installer works as expected and be able to manage support requests:

People that did not buy the EA version: "It is just a public beta"

 

If they release it at once and issues with the installer arise:

People that bought it: "It is just a public beta"

 

FS Labs just can not win in this...

 

 

Well... i noticed that people in this hobby tends to say Aman to everything developers saying. Same people that defended so badly Aerosoft airbus some 2 years ago now attacking them after seeing fslabs bus. I really think i have to stop posting what i think...good luck all and enjoy.

 

FSLabs is a respected developer, that kept it's promises in the past. What reasonable doubt do you have to believe they wont this time?

[mikea76]

youre running DX10 ?

 

Wolfgang

Yes, DX10 with the latest fixer

 

 

If the release the product to Early Adopters because they want to make sure the installer works as expected and be able to manage support requests:

People that did not buy the EA version: "It is just a public beta"

 

If they release it at once and issues with the installer arise:

People that bought it: "It is just a public beta"

 

FS Labs just can not win in this...

 

 

 

 

FSLabs is a respected developer, that kept it's promises in the past. What reasonable doubt do you have to believe they wont this time?

 

 

Even Some of the early adopters think we are beta testers..... We are not beta testers and the plane is not in beta. We just were crazy enough to sit at our computer reloading the page until we got lucky enough to buy it in the 8 min window it was for sale.

[warbirds]

Too expensive? There is a way devs could sell expensive add  on's such as this. Do what many high end software developers do, sell by subscription. 

 

I am subscribed to Adobe cloud and pay 7.95 a month (thanks to an Amazon sale) for both Photoshop and Lightroom with constant free updates. I could not own this software a year or so ago at 700 plus a pop but now I can by the month. 

 

P3D is subscribed to for only 10 bucks a month with free updates and is better for me than a one time fee of 200 bucks plus being a dev really requires the higher cost over academic. 

 

I would pay a small monthly fee for a plane such as this or PMDG. Give us cloud subscription service and we all can have the big toys. 

[Ray Proudfoot]

I am subscribed to Adobe cloud and pay 7.95 a month for both Photoshop and Lightroom with constant free updates.

How can the updates be free when you pay them 7.95 per month. :wink:

[warbirds]

Subscription fee is for base product, updates are included free of charge. Constant cost for an evolving product and same for P3D. 

 

Subscription is a win win deal, pay monthly, drop it anytime. Example; let's say they do bring out a complex expensive add on for our sim or sims. This add on cost 150 straight out or 5 bucks a month. If you go for the 5 bucks a month you now have the chance to demo the product for one month (5 bucks for a demo is sure worth it to me) or keep the product for as long as you want or can afford.

[Ray Proudfoot]

Subscription fee is for base product, updates are included free of charge. Constant cost for an evolving product and same for P3D. 

 

Subscription is a win win deal, pay monthly, drop it anytime. Example; let's say they do bring out a complex expensive add on for our sim or sims. This add on cost 150 straight out or 5 bucks a month. If you go for the 5 bucks a month you now have the chance to demo the product for one month (5 bucks for a demo is sure worth it to me) or keep the product for as long as you want or can afford.

 

It's a personal thing if you prefer subscription payment to a one-off one. I'd never go down that route and for addons for P3D / FSX the added burden of managing it for such a small company as FS Labs is a non-starter. As no-one has ever offered it I doubt we'll ever see it.

 

The only updates you'll get to the A320 are minor bug fixes. It's unlikely to evolve into anything more than you have now.

[warbirds]

You would rather pay over 700 for Photoshop than pay a small monthly fee? You really are in the minority here and Adobe is banking on that as they do not even offer Photoshop as a one time sale anymore. 

 

P3d is perfect example of a subscription service for flight simmers. If you would rather pay 200 bucks, fine, but for some that is a bit of a  burden but 10 bucks a month is not and if something happens to me or inhibits my ability to pay or play it can be dropped.

 

Your correct, this company is most likely not a candidate for such a service but PMDG certainly is. 

[jcomm]

Too expensive? There is a way devs could sell expensive add  on's such as this. Do what many high end software developers do, sell by subscription. 

 

I am subscribed to Adobe cloud and pay 7.95 a month (thanks to an Amazon sale) for both Photoshop and Lightroom with constant free updates. I could not own this software a year or so ago at 700 plus a pop but now I can by the month. 

 

P3D is subscribed to for only 10 bucks a month with free updates and is better for me than a one time fee of 200 bucks plus being a dev really requires the higher cost over academic. 

 

I would pay a small monthly fee for a plane such as this or PMDG. Give us cloud subscription service and we all can have the big toys. 

 

Good idea!

 

I actually use the P3D monthly subscription whenever I want to use it.

[captain420]

Subscription fee? Are you serious? I would never go for that type of payment when it comes to owning a piece of software. Yes I rather pay $700 up front and own it for the lifetime of the product than have to pay monthly. I just don't like the subscription model. Perhaps for Netflix or music then perhaps it's okay but definitely not for software. If P3D or any 3rd party developers decide to go that route, then that's when I stop investing money into this hobby.

[warbirds]

Subscription fee? Are you serious? I would never go for that type of payment when it comes to owning a piece of software. Yes I rather pay $700 up front and own it for the lifetime of the product than have to pay monthly. I just don't like the subscription model. Perhaps for Netflix or music then perhaps it's okay but definitely not for software. If P3D or any 3rd party developers decide to go that route, then that's when I stop investing money into this hobby.

like I said, your in the minority as far as large software companies are concerned. 

 

Let's put it this way - you just bought Photoshop for 800 bucks instead of 10 or so bucks a month. A couple months later you decide it is really not for you, or something happens, you lose your high paying job or worse, now you feel upset you just spent 800 bucks on something you cannot or afford to use anymore.

 

Subscription = win win

 

It is the way software is going so get used to it.

[jcomm]

Subscription fee? Are you serious? I would never go for that type of payment when it comes to owning a piece of software. Yes I rather pay $700 up front and own it for the lifetime of the product than have to pay monthly. I just don't like the subscription model. Perhaps for Netflix or music then perhaps it's okay but definitely not for software. If P3D or any 3rd party developers decide to go that route, then that's when I stop investing money into this hobby.

For me, who rarely keep a flightsim for much more than 6 months, most of the time a lot less, the same applying to add-ons, it would be the ideal deal :-)

 

I've payed a good price for my stable sims ( Aerowinx PSX, and ELITE v8.6 ) because I knew those were meant to stay.... But most of the add-ons and flightsims I use have a very short life in my disk...

[Ray Proudfoot]

You would rather pay over 700 for Photoshop than pay a small monthly fee? You really are in the minority here and Adobe is banking on that as they do not even offer Photoshop as a one time sale anymore.

 

Absolutely not! I use Elements for a purchase price of 40UKP and that gives me 80% of Photoshop for a fraction of the cost. Also, new versions rarely have big improvements. It's more a case of minor improvements that end up costing a lot.

 

P3d is perfect example of a subscription service for flight simmers. If you would rather pay 200 bucks, fine, but for some that is a bit of a  burden but 10 bucks a month is not and if something happens to me or inhibits my ability to pay or play it can be dropped.

 

After 20 months it would have been cheaper to buy it. Bear in mind it's not entertainment software so different rules apply. More and more businesses are jumping onto the subscription service as it gives them more money.

 

Your correct, this company is most likely not a candidate for such a service but PMDG certainly is.

 

I doubt any FS 3rd party provider will ever go down that route.

[captain420]

That's why I've stopped using Adobe apps ever since they went with the subscription model. I've looked elsewhere for other products that offers pay to own rather than paying a monthly fee. I don't like how you lose the software if you decide to stop paying. I feel as though it's not mine to own and I'm merely just renting. I will never embrace the subscription model when it comes to software. I rather abandon it and find an alternative, and I'm not a minority here when it comes to that. I come from a creative world as it is my career and the majority frowns upon the subscription model when Adobe announced it. But let's not get off topic here. I just hope flight simming doesn't go that route.

[warbirds]

That's why I've stopped using Adobe apps ever since they went with the subscription model. I've looked elsewhere for other products that offers pay to own rather than paying a monthly fee. I don't like how you lose the software if you decide to stop paying. I feel as though it's not mine to own and I'm merely just renting. I will never embrace the subscription model when it comes to software. I rather abandon it and find an alternative, and I'm not a minority here when it comes to that. I come from a creative world as it is my career and the majority frowns upon the subscription model when Adobe announced it. But let's not get off topic here. I just hope flight simming doesn't go that route.

Hey, I just posted this as an idea,,not to stir up a  hornets nest. I am sure these small devs will not go this way but it was just a thought.

 

It is the same old story - those that are affluent can and those of use that live on disability and old age funds cannot. It is, after all, a class thing as well.

 

The fact is your already paying for subscribed services. Gas, electricity, water, rent, car lease, car rental. Oh you could pay the light company 100,000 for lifetime service if they offered but I bet you would rather be subscribed. 

 

Ok back to our regularly scheduled program and let's forget this little diversion.