July 13, 20178 yr 23 minutes ago, jabloomf1230 said: Uh, that's not what I meant. That's is not a proper location for either the airport or the beach. I assume that the Dutch government wants to have it's cake (the airport) and eat it too (the beach). It's a question of safety. It's bad enough that Beacon Hill Road is there also. Since you've been there you know the terrain and there was and is no other place on the Dutch side of the island to put one. And there are other airports next to a coastline, Gustav at St Barths, the airport at Skaithos. To say nothing has been done in years is inaccurate. There is an additional barrier fence that was erected outside of the airport fence, more warning signes were put up and the threshold was slightly adjusted so aircraft lining up aren't as close to the fence as they used to be. Unfortunately Murphey's law came to fruition and she was the one in the million. Condolences to her and her family.
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July 13, 20178 yr 1 hour ago, jabloomf1230 said: The airport is not the problem. You've got that right. I've spent more than a few days over the years sitting outside at the Sunset Beach bar watching folks hanging onto that fence. And I'll even confess to doing it a few times myself. There are more warning signs on that fence than you'd find in a nuclear power plant. People are going to do what people are going to do. Life isn't always about doing what's "safe"...............Doug Intel 10700K @ 5.1Ghz, Asus Hero Maximus motherboard, Noctua NH-U12A cooler, Corsair Vengeance Pro 32GB 3200 MHz RAM, RTX 2060 Super GPU, Cooler Master HAF 932 Tower, Thermaltake 1000W Toughpower PSU, Windows 10 Professional 64-Bit, 100TB of disk storage. Klaatu barada nickto.
July 13, 20178 yr Yup seems pretty clear to me: No policy change required Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
July 13, 20178 yr Now, videos have been noted by news outlets showing that this incident was only unique in that there was a fatality, rather than a previous 2012 incident which resulted in injuries. Also note that in the present video, people on the beach itself were knocked down and/or swept into the water. Most were just sitting sunning themselves.
July 14, 20178 yr Before this unfortunate incident, I spent some time watching videos of this location. In more than one example, someone would get knocked back and into/onto a concrete biking/walking path...might even be the roadway. I was astonished that 1) people do what they do there and 2) that there would be a curb furnished concrete surface near the fenceline. The path is sticking up above the sand as erosion has exposed it. Sand isn't a very good foundation for building stuff; or so I'm told. Cringe-worthy stuff. Richard Chafey i7-8700K @4.8GHz - 32Gb @3200 - ASUS ROG Maximus X Hero - EVGA RTX3090 - 3840x2160 Res - KBSim Gunfighter - Thrustmaster Warthog dual throttles - Crosswind V3 pedals MSFS 2020, DCS
July 14, 20178 yr 10 minutes ago, RichieFly said: I was astonished that 1) people do what they do there Sun, fun and alcohol. Vic green
July 14, 20178 yr I have been saying for years, this is why jet engines and beaches must be outlawed. How much more carnage will we allow as a society? We have a moral obligation to make sure this can never happen again. Garrett Frank
July 14, 20178 yr There are clear signs illustrating the dangers of jet blast, if you choose to ignore common sense or the warning signs you are taking your life into your own hands, if you are injured or killed it is nobody's responsibility but your own, and its certainly not the governments job to think for you. Still, I give my condolences to the woman and her family. Lian Li 011 Air Mini | AMD 9800X3D | Asus ROG STRIX B650E-F | Arctic Cooling Liquid Freezer II 280mm RGB | 2x32GB G.Skill DDR5-6000 | ASUS TUF RTX 5090 | Seasonic Prime Platinum 1000W | Pimax Crystal Light
July 14, 20178 yr Obviously there are warning signs. Obviously people have to be held responsible for not paying attention to them. Equally, if the government or the airport administration really wanted to ensure safety, they'd fence off the area and extend the threshold down to the waterline. The reason they don't is not to keep government small, and it's not to teach lessons about self-reliance - it's to keep a valuable piece of beachfront active, play nudge-nudge wink-wink games with a popular tourist activity, and keep the money flowing in. It's got some similarity to the railroad level crossing problem - the technology exists to install impenetrable barriers, but neither railroads nor municipalities want to pay for it. Cheaper to put up gates and lights and say "Hey, you were warned, you're on your own." I'll grant you it's Darwin-awards-level stupidity to drive around a closed railroad barrier when the lights are flashing and the bells are ringing. But I'll guarantee you the reason you can do that isn't because some elected official or other is thinking about individual choice and how it builds character. Bottom line - the beach needs to stay open... Alan Ampolsk"Ah, Paula, they are firing at me!"-- Saint-Exupery
July 14, 20178 yr 9 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said: Uh, that's not what I meant. That's is not a proper location for either the airport or the beach. I assume that the Dutch government wants to have it's cake (the airport) and eat it too (the beach). It's a question of safety. It's bad enough that Beacon Hill Road is there also. There is really no "proper" place at St.Martin for an airport, and certainly no other place to put it other than where it already is. The island isn't very large to start with, and those parts that aren't mountainous, are covered by settlements. Jim BarrettLicensed Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic, Avionics, Electrical & Air Data Systems Specialist. Qualified on: Falcon 900, CRJ-200, Dornier 328-100, Hawker 850XP and 1000, Lear 35, 45, 55 and 60, Gulfstream IV and 550, Embraer 135, Beech Premiere and 400A, MD-80.
July 14, 20178 yr The airport is a modernization of the old military base and they are stuck with its location. The beach on the other hand, is in the absolutely wrong location. To me, this situation is as about as dumb as putting a new public beach next to an existing sewage outfall and then putting up signs saying "no swimming".
July 14, 20178 yr 10 hours ago, jabloomf1230 said: I assume that the Dutch government wants to have it's cake (the airport) and eat it too (the beach). It's a question of safety. I can honestly tell you that if the Dutch government would've had anything to say about this idiotic situation this particular part of the beach would've been closed ages ago. The government of the dutch part of the island of St.Maarten has been officially autonomic atleast since 2010 and unofficially already years before. Like Alan's suggestion it probabely has all to do with local Big Kahonas who see this ridiculous situation as a free tourist attraction. Nothing to do with the Dutch government. ( just speaking up for my country... ;-) Jan
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